What religion are you?

[AnnaBananaGal]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

wow, that is one awesome attitude! *clap clap clap*

[The Grim Hamster lord]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

[Topazia]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, because if I open my beak, I will do what will send you on one of your human anger trips. k?

[Topazia]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, because if I open my beak, I will do what will send you on one of your human anger trips. k?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That was facetious. K, tho.

[Topazia]

not to get back into the fray we have agreed to put to rest here, but one quick question, TGHL:

 

You stopped believing in God when your brother died, no? Well, imagine a mother of four watching all of her children die by torture, yet she kept her faith. I read about it. It's a true story. She was more heartbroken than one can imagine, yet her faith in God kept her strong and smiling. I lost my grandfather to cancer. I loved him so much. He was a sweet old man, and so strong, but he died in the middle of the night, at the hospital. It was two days before my 10th birthday. I do know how loss feels. I know it too well. I lose friends, pets (I love cats like siblings. We have three. ), I lose family and just last Wednesday, a close friend from church died. We're going to her funeral next Saturday. She had cancer, too. I didn't believe in God all that much until last summer, as I've said before. But He still helped me through all of my tough times, even what my real father did to me. I still will never tell what that was. I never even forgave him until I committed myself to Christ.

 

Okay, maybe not so quick, but the gist is,

You didn't go through the worst. Why are you so negative now? You are so young to know the feeling of hate.

I know it, but that's because I am a persecuted Christian.

---------------------

on a lighter note:

has anyone ever seen that old toon, Ren and Stimpy? Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy! WOOHOO! Hahahahaha! I love that song! Yippee! I like popsicles! Yayayaya! I love cats! Rat poison is dangerous to your health! So are shoelaces! I like to jump up and downand give my friends a headache! Heeheehee! Woohoo! lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala! Yaaaaaay! WOOHOO!

anyways. I'm insane. But that's normal.

---------------------

I meant it when I said I love everyone. I'll die for the man who slices my back into ribbons, because that's what is right. Jesus did it. Why shouldn't I? A true discipile can expect persecution. I can't wait.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, because if I open my beak, I will do what will send you on one of your human anger trips. k?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That was facetious. K, tho.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean that was nasty and uncalled for or did you actualy mean to put fictious?

[Topazia]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, because if I open my beak, I will do what will send you on one of your human anger trips. k?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That was facetious. K, tho.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean that was nasty and uncalled for or did you actualy mean to put fictious?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, facetious. As in, sarcastic. As in, not to be taken seriously.

[Topazia]

not to get back into the fray we have agreed to put to rest here, but one quick question, TGHL:

 

You stopped believing in God when your brother died, no? Well, imagine a mother of four watching all of her children die by torture, yet she kept her faith. I read about it. It's a true story. She was more heartbroken than one can imagine, yet her faith in God kept her strong and smiling. I lost my grandfather to cancer. I loved him so much. He was a sweet old man, and so strong, but he died in the middle of the night, at the hospital. It was two days before my 10th birthday. I do know how loss feels. I know it too well. I lose friends, pets (I love cats like siblings. We have three. ), I lose family and just last Wednesday, a close friend from church died. We're going to her funeral next Saturday. She had cancer, too. I didn't believe in God all that much until last summer, as I've said before. But He still helped me through all of my tough times, even what my real father did to me. I still will never tell what that was. I never even forgave him until I committed myself to Christ.

 

Okay, maybe not so quick, but the gist is,

You didn't go through the worst. Why are you so negative now? You are so young to know the feeling of hate.

I know it, but that's because I am a persecuted Christian.

---------------------

on a lighter note:

has anyone ever seen that old toon, Ren and Stimpy? Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy! WOOHOO! Hahahahaha! I love that song! Yippee! I like popsicles! Yayayaya! I love cats! Rat poison is dangerous to your health! So are shoelaces! I like to jump up and downand give my friends a headache! Heeheehee! Woohoo! lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala! Yaaaaaay! WOOHOO!

anyways. I'm insane. But that's normal.

---------------------

I meant it when I said I love everyone. I'll die for the man who slices my back into ribbons, because that's what is right. Jesus did it. Why shouldn't I? A true discipile can expect persecution. I can't wait.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This was meant to be answered.

 

I'd like you to answer honestly, not sarcastically, TGHL.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love cynicism, it really is invigorating.

That is very.... noble of you. An attitude matyrs and saints would be proud of. Unfortunatly, in order to qualify for either of those you need to be killed in some gruesome way, and then have people think that actually you were right, and oh rugger God isn't going to be happy about this, QUICK! make them a saint to save our own bottoms.

Notice how I wasn't ridiculing that, but the entire sainthood system... and in some small way, what you said.

 

Exactly, what others do will not affect the fact you have a seat next to the late Pope and Princess Di, unfortunately Lady Di isn't in Heaven at the minute, she's off being someone's guardian angel. So you'll be sitting next to Barbie, with Himmler two seats away.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't have to die to be martyred. For instance, Richard Wurmbrand is a pastor. He is considered a martyr because he was imprisoned in a Gestapo camp, then a Korean Communist camp, totalling fourteen years in exile. He kept his faith.

 

Noble? I was going for honest and bared. I don't want saints to be proud of me. I want God to be proud of me. It's like being a little kid who wants nothing more than his/her father's praise. "Blessed are they who are pure in heart, for they shall see the Lord." Matthew 5:8 is one of my favorite verses. Please don't ridicule the most devoted people I can think of, TGHL. That's one of the few things that get me started on my human anger trips. I dropped most of the peppery comeback, so do me this, okay?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ARG, I b' quiet now.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What, you are reluctant?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope, because if I open my beak, I will do what will send you on one of your human anger trips. k?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That was facetious. K, tho.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean that was nasty and uncalled for or did you actualy mean to put fictious?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, facetious. As in, sarcastic. As in, not to be taken seriously.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Squiggle Squiggle Constipated Eagle, Eye with surrounding squiggle?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

not to get back into the fray we have agreed to put to rest here, but one quick question, TGHL:

 

You stopped believing in God when your brother died, no? Well, imagine a mother of four watching all of her children die by torture, yet she kept her faith. I read about it. It's a true story. She was more heartbroken than one can imagine, yet her faith in God kept her strong and smiling. I lost my grandfather to cancer. I loved him so much. He was a sweet old man, and so strong, but he died in the middle of the night, at the hospital. It was two days before my 10th birthday. I do know how loss feels. I know it too well. I lose friends, pets (I love cats like siblings. We have three. ), I lose family and just last Wednesday, a close friend from church died. We're going to her funeral next Saturday. She had cancer, too. I didn't believe in God all that much until last summer, as I've said before. But He still helped me through all of my tough times, even what my real father did to me. I still will never tell what that was. I never even forgave him until I committed myself to Christ.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This was meant to be answered.

 

I'd like you to answer honestly, not sarcastically, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well here it goes;

1) Well, I offically denounced my religon and had my results on the cenus put down as Aethiest and had all record that I had ever been an idiot supporting the rubbish of God eradicated after the death of my brother, but I had been effectively the Aethiest end of agnostic for a long time previously as I had grown up, less of the pathetic book of stories you call the Bible made sense. I had always been an avid book reader, reading LOTR at 10 and had been reading complex books long before that, the more I read the more I became curious, investiagtive and then of course you get science coming in. Science explains everything, you can see proof that it is true, that you can see and scrutinise and don't have to rely on story books that exclude most of what was originally written. I don't need God, as there is nothing belief can do for me. Comforting? Ha. An afterlife? even more laughable. It goes on. And do you know what religon is? Escapism. trying to avoid the facts, skirting round difficult problems the real world has and praying to something that doesn't exist and hope that you get answered. Like you wish to have me answer your post Topazia. What if I didn't reply and never appeared again? Would you keep on asking like you keep on praying to God or would you just give up, assuming I have moved on? One inexplicable event and you concoct the most stupid answer possible and believe it. You tell everyone. They believe you because only you saw. It spreads. Do you know why religon covers all (sorry most, because you may as well call Europe the godless lands now) the globe? Because a lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

And if you believe in God, why not UFOs, Nessy and Faries? There existance is as likely as Angels, devils and God.

[Topazia]

not to get back into the fray we have agreed to put to rest here, but one quick question, TGHL:

 

You stopped believing in God when your brother died, no? Well, imagine a mother of four watching all of her children die by torture, yet she kept her faith. I read about it. It's a true story. She was more heartbroken than one can imagine, yet her faith in God kept her strong and smiling. I lost my grandfather to cancer. I loved him so much. He was a sweet old man, and so strong, but he died in the middle of the night, at the hospital. It was two days before my 10th birthday. I do know how loss feels. I know it too well. I lose friends, pets (I love cats like siblings. We have three. ), I lose family and just last Wednesday, a close friend from church died. We're going to her funeral next Saturday. She had cancer, too. I didn't believe in God all that much until last summer, as I've said before. But He still helped me through all of my tough times, even what my real father did to me. I still will never tell what that was. I never even forgave him until I committed myself to Christ.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This was meant to be answered.

 

I'd like you to answer honestly, not sarcastically, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well here it goes;

1) Well, I offically denounced my religon and had my results on the cenus put down as Aethiest and had all record that I had ever been an idiot supporting the rubbish of God eradicated after the death of my brother, but I had been effectively the Aethiest end of agnostic for a long time previously as I had grown up, less of the pathetic book of stories you call the Bible made sense. I had always been an avid book reader, reading LOTR at 10 and had been reading complex books long before that, the more I read the more I became curious, investiagtive and then of course you get science coming in. Science explains everything, you can see proof that it is true, that you can see and scrutinise and don't have to rely on story books that exclude most of what was originally written. I don't need God, as there is nothing belief can do for me. Comforting? Ha. An afterlife? even more laughable. It goes on. And do you know what religon is? Escapism. trying to avoid the facts, skirting round difficult problems the real world has and praying to something that doesn't exist and hope that you get answered. Like you wish to have me answer your post Topazia. What if I didn't reply and never appeared again? Would you keep on asking like you keep on praying to God or would you just give up, assuming I have moved on? One inexplicable event and you concoct the most stupid answer possible and believe it. You tell everyone. They believe you because only you saw. It spreads. Do you know why religon covers all (sorry most, because you may as well call Europe the godless lands now) the globe? Because a lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

And if you believe in God, why not UFOs, Nessy and Faries? There existance is as likely as Angels, devils and God.

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okay, breaking what I said in Illuminati topic just for this. here goes:

heehee, this is good.

I'm going to break this up so I can focus.

 

Well, I offically denounced my religon and had my results on the cenus put down as Aethiest and had all record that I had ever been an idiot supporting the rubbish of God eradicated after the death of my brother, but I had been effectively the Aethiest end of agnostic for a long time previously as I had grown up, less of the pathetic book of stories you call the Bible made sense.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

I had always been an avid book reader, reading LOTR at 10 and had been reading complex books long before that, the more I read the more I became curious, investiagtive and then of course you get science coming in. Science explains everything, you can see proof that it is true, that you can see and scrutinise and don't have to rely on story books that exclude most of what was originally written.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

I don't need God, as there is nothing belief can do for me. Comforting? Ha. An afterlife? even more laughable. It goes on. And do you know what religon is? Escapism. trying to avoid the facts, skirting round difficult problems the real world has and praying to something that doesn't exist and hope that you get answered. Like you wish to have me answer your post Topazia. What if I didn't reply and never appeared again? Would you keep on asking like you keep on praying to God or would you just give up, assuming I have moved on?

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

One inexplicable event and you concoct the most stupid answer possible and believe it. You tell everyone. They believe you because only you saw. It spreads. Do you know why religon covers all (sorry most, because you may as well call Europe the godless lands now) the globe? Because a lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

And if you believe in God, why not UFOs, Nessy and Faries? There existance is as likely as Angels, devils and God.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

 

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I shall do likewise.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

Very nice David, you recited the Lord's prayer and if you want to lie down in green pastures, try a medaow. And why does he lead you beside still waters? STill is fine. Nothing dangerous about still. Troubled, I could understand.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

[Topazia]

I shall do likewise.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

Very nice David, you recited the Lord's prayer and if you want to lie down in green pastures, try a medaow. And why does he lead you beside still waters? STill is fine. Nothing dangerous about still. Troubled, I could understand.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are twisting what I said, TGHL.

to DaVinci Code: I want to read it. I know where I can get one, too. I can't wait to read it.

ooohhhh, I'm gonna love this.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

Aww, so sweet. No wonder you're an Atheist. You haven't had enough exposure to the greatest truth there is. Anyone can do a good rendition of the OT, but how many can live it like JC? 7/8 is the most vital time. It's unfortunate that you never surrendered at such a young age. I would have, had I not been distracted. They were told what to write by God. I will say that until I die, because how else would all of the stories run together? The human mouth is not as reliable as written word. David only slung one stone, and Goliath was closer to nine feet tall. Dave trusted God to help him kill the enemy, and He did help the Young Boy defeat the big guy. Everyone who God sends out has some sort of weakness. Moses had a speech impediment, and David had a weakness for lovely ladies. Flood: GOD SENT A RAINBOW; AND EVERYONE DIED BUT THE GOOD MAN, NOAH, TGHL!!! Geez, I thought you knew that one. DUH!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

I want to read the DaVinci Code. Dude, you can twist anything to what you want to say. I do it myself sometimes. I research my facts. I intend on going to the library much more often now so I can verify your own findings. Actually, scientists believe that a meteor will hit the earth in 2027 and destroy it. Voila. Proof, for you. The people who are guessing I repeat GUESSING!!! when the Earth is going to end are (I can't remember right at the moment) either going against Revelations and Matthew, or for, I can't remember. I'll check and verify when I'm done online. Bush is an idiot, TGHL. He can't do diddlysquat, so oh well if he smarts up and manages to kill you and me. UGH, he nauseates me with his stupid campaigns. Yech.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

Wow, an agreement. Who gives a whoopin care? I have a life, too. I just live it for God, like I should. Like you should. (you didn't think I was gonna let that pss, did you? Belief is powerful stuff. Ever try it? (no.) Not everyone cured believes in God, you're right, but I'm willing to bet that most of them did. (anywhere over forty percent will be fine.) Refusal of treatment is stupid. Even I (an independent type) will not refuse treatment for something life-threatening, but I will continue to ask others to keep me in their prayers. Why don't you believe that there is an afterlife? Someone on here once said that, If there isn't an afterlife, but you live like there is, all the more to ya. But if there is an afterlife, and you live like there isn't, See you in Tophet. Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous. I read that somewhere, not in the Bible.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

Oh, tghl, you poor, doubtful soul. You can't change a thing, kid. You can't even change my mind, what makes you think you can change the way Satan runs things? Satan is weak, jealous, desperate, and manipulative. He is smart, too, which is why we even are in this mess. #### isn't necessarily hot. No one has seen it, so how do we know? The Bible tells us so. Jesus describes it a little in a parable. (see Illuminati topic for more details, I think it's on page three or four.) Do you read Piers Anthony's Incarnation Series? I read it, and I really liked it. Very enlightening, and oddly annoying. Oh, you should read the Bible more indepth sometime. It's not just a book of fairy tales about some old guy in the sky. Try reading the Gospel and Epistles, they are awesome. And Acts. That's very good. Write all you want, but nothing compares to the truth of the BIBLE.

 

and to your reply to my friend's idiocy (i can't believe I let him do that.): You keep taking it at face value. Want me to explain the Lord's prayer in words you'd understand? I paraphrased it once. I still have the paper.

[Topazia]

By the way, you should go to the story forum and read my "Testimony", TGHL. I do believe you'd like it.

 

[ZombieCat]

I shall do likewise.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

Very nice David, you recited the Lord's prayer and if you want to lie down in green pastures, try a medaow. And why does he lead you beside still waters? STill is fine. Nothing dangerous about still. Troubled, I could understand.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are twisting what I said, TGHL.

to DaVinci Code: I want to read it. I know where I can get one, too. I can't wait to read it.

ooohhhh, I'm gonna love this.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

Aww, so sweet. No wonder you're an Atheist. You haven't had enough exposure to the greatest truth there is. Anyone can do a good rendition of the OT, but how many can live it like JC? 7/8 is the most vital time. It's unfortunate that you never surrendered at such a young age. I would have, had I not been distracted. They were told what to write by God. I will say that until I die, because how else would all of the stories run together? The human mouth is not as reliable as written word. David only slung one stone, and Goliath was closer to nine feet tall. Dave trusted God to help him kill the enemy, and He did help the Young Boy defeat the big guy. Everyone who God sends out has some sort of weakness. Moses had a speech impediment, and David had a weakness for lovely ladies. Flood: GOD SENT A RAINBOW; AND EVERYONE DIED BUT THE GOOD MAN, NOAH, TGHL!!! Geez, I thought you knew that one. DUH!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

I want to read the DaVinci Code. Dude, you can twist anything to what you want to say. I do it myself sometimes. I research my facts. I intend on going to the library much more often now so I can verify your own findings. Actually, scientists believe that a meteor will hit the earth in 2027 and destroy it. Voila. Proof, for you. The people who are guessing I repeat GUESSING!!! when the Earth is going to end are (I can't remember right at the moment) either going against Revelations and Matthew, or for, I can't remember. I'll check and verify when I'm done online. Bush is an idiot, TGHL. He can't do diddlysquat, so oh well if he smarts up and manages to kill you and me. UGH, he nauseates me with his stupid campaigns. Yech.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

Wow, an agreement. Who gives a whoopin care? I have a life, too. I just live it for God, like I should. Like you should. (you didn't think I was gonna let that pss, did you? Belief is powerful stuff. Ever try it? (no.) Not everyone cured believes in God, you're right, but I'm willing to bet that most of them did. (anywhere over forty percent will be fine.) Refusal of treatment is stupid. Even I (an independent type) will not refuse treatment for something life-threatening, but I will continue to ask others to keep me in their prayers. Why don't you believe that there is an afterlife? Someone on here once said that, If there isn't an afterlife, but you live like there is, all the more to ya. But if there is an afterlife, and you live like there isn't, See you in Tophet. Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous. I read that somewhere, not in the Bible.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

Oh, tghl, you poor, doubtful soul. You can't change a thing, kid. You can't even change my mind, what makes you think you can change the way Satan runs things? Satan is weak, jealous, desperate, and manipulative. He is smart, too, which is why we even are in this mess. #### isn't necessarily hot. No one has seen it, so how do we know? The Bible tells us so. Jesus describes it a little in a parable. (see Illuminati topic for more details, I think it's on page three or four.) Do you read Piers Anthony's Incarnation Series? I read it, and I really liked it. Very enlightening, and oddly annoying. Oh, you should read the Bible more indepth sometime. It's not just a book of fairy tales about some old guy in the sky. Try reading the Gospel and Epistles, they are awesome. And Acts. That's very good. Write all you want, but nothing compares to the truth of the BIBLE.

 

and to your reply to my friend's idiocy (i can't believe I let him do that.): You keep taking it at face value. Want me to explain the Lord's prayer in words you'd understand? I paraphrased it once. I still have the paper.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Topazia, you are wrong. The Grim Hamster lord is right.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I shall do likewise.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

Very nice David, you recited the Lord's prayer and if you want to lie down in green pastures, try a medaow. And why does he lead you beside still waters? STill is fine. Nothing dangerous about still. Troubled, I could understand.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

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You are twisting what I said, TGHL.

to DaVinci Code: I want to read it. I know where I can get one, too. I can't wait to read it.

ooohhhh, I'm gonna love this.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

Aww, so sweet. No wonder you're an Atheist. You haven't had enough exposure to the greatest truth there is. Anyone can do a good rendition of the OT, but how many can live it like JC? 7/8 is the most vital time. It's unfortunate that you never surrendered at such a young age. I would have, had I not been distracted. They were told what to write by God. I will say that until I die, because how else would all of the stories run together? The human mouth is not as reliable as written word. David only slung one stone, and Goliath was closer to nine feet tall. Dave trusted God to help him kill the enemy, and He did help the Young Boy defeat the big guy. Everyone who God sends out has some sort of weakness. Moses had a speech impediment, and David had a weakness for lovely ladies. Flood: GOD SENT A RAINBOW; AND EVERYONE DIED BUT THE GOOD MAN, NOAH, TGHL!!! Geez, I thought you knew that one. DUH!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

I want to read the DaVinci Code. Dude, you can twist anything to what you want to say. I do it myself sometimes. I research my facts. I intend on going to the library much more often now so I can verify your own findings. Actually, scientists believe that a meteor will hit the earth in 2027 and destroy it. Voila. Proof, for you. The people who are guessing I repeat GUESSING!!! when the Earth is going to end are (I can't remember right at the moment) either going against Revelations and Matthew, or for, I can't remember. I'll check and verify when I'm done online. Bush is an idiot, TGHL. He can't do diddlysquat, so oh well if he smarts up and manages to kill you and me. UGH, he nauseates me with his stupid campaigns. Yech.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

Wow, an agreement. Who gives a whoopin care? I have a life, too. I just live it for God, like I should. Like you should. (you didn't think I was gonna let that pss, did you? Belief is powerful stuff. Ever try it? (no.) Not everyone cured believes in God, you're right, but I'm willing to bet that most of them did. (anywhere over forty percent will be fine.) Refusal of treatment is stupid. Even I (an independent type) will not refuse treatment for something life-threatening, but I will continue to ask others to keep me in their prayers. Why don't you believe that there is an afterlife? Someone on here once said that, If there isn't an afterlife, but you live like there is, all the more to ya. But if there is an afterlife, and you live like there isn't, See you in Tophet. Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous. I read that somewhere, not in the Bible.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

Oh, tghl, you poor, doubtful soul. You can't change a thing, kid. You can't even change my mind, what makes you think you can change the way Satan runs things? Satan is weak, jealous, desperate, and manipulative. He is smart, too, which is why we even are in this mess. #### isn't necessarily hot. No one has seen it, so how do we know? The Bible tells us so. Jesus describes it a little in a parable. (see Illuminati topic for more details, I think it's on page three or four.) Do you read Piers Anthony's Incarnation Series? I read it, and I really liked it. Very enlightening, and oddly annoying. Oh, you should read the Bible more indepth sometime. It's not just a book of fairy tales about some old guy in the sky. Try reading the Gospel and Epistles, they are awesome. And Acts. That's very good. Write all you want, but nothing compares to the truth of the BIBLE.

 

and to your reply to my friend's idiocy (i can't believe I let him do that.): You keep taking it at face value. Want me to explain the Lord's prayer in words you'd understand? I paraphrased it once. I still have the paper.

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Topazia, you are wrong. The Grim Hamster lord is right.

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Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

[Topazia]

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

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nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

[ZombieCat]

I shall do likewise.

Were your parents raising you Christian or Agnostic? That makes a difference, and I'm wondering. You are very mature for your age for the most part. Random comment I felt like letting you know. Oh, TGHL, my Bible isn't full of stories. It's full of tales of God's wonderful works. If you would like, I can give you my paraphrase of the book of Romans to prove this point. I like to paraphrase becaue it helps me to better understand what the Lord is trying to tell me.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

I'm reading them now. (Not yet, but I intend on reading book one for tonight before bed.) I love to read complex books, and I read them from both a Christian and a non-Christian viewpoint in order to determine what kind of plot it is. I amthe same way. I am the most curious person in my family, and yet I find everything I see pointing towards God's love. You can use science to prove anything, TGHL. I can use the results for a science experiment to prove that tomorrow is the last day before a metoer strikes the earth, but we all know that can't happen right? wrong. My friend David says to be Christian coz he says so. Random Comments rock. anyways. I rely on these books because there isn't anything else to rely on pertaining to this yet. We haven't figured it out yet. YET!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

Everyone needs God. Belief can do a lot for you. Just the simple belief that there is someone out the has saved my life. I'm willing to bet four hundred pounds (it's worth more than dollars.) that you resent your brother's death. Comforting? It comforts me to know that someone's always got my back in case of trouble. I love feeling like someone loves me when I'm lost, hurt, afraid, tempted, whatever. It's great. Too bad you are missing out on some prime peace. Afterlife? You'd better believe it. Ever hear of out-of-body experiences? They aren't hoaxes. They're real. A few family members of mine have had them, as well as my friends. Religion isn't escapism. I don't avoid the facts, I accept them as they come. I deal with them, confront them, because God says not to hide from the truth. Facts are truth. I used to avoid it, but now, I don't. My prayers are always answered, just sometimes not the way I want. God knows what's best for me. I trust Him. I mean, why not? He's got big hands. He can deal with what I've been though, and my everday life as a teen in this world. If you haven't posted an answer, I probably would have asked you what's wrong in another topic, one which you would answer. I keep praying to God because it's how we communicate to him. You pray or talk to Him, and He hears. It's fascinating.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

That's not true. Hang on. David is pressing to talk to you.

David:our father who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name....thy kingdom come thy will be done....on earth as it is in heaven....give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us....and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom...the power....and the glory for ever and ever...amen.

The Lord is my shephered I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters.

Very nice David, you recited the Lord's prayer and if you want to lie down in green pastures, try a medaow. And why does he lead you beside still waters? STill is fine. Nothing dangerous about still. Troubled, I could understand.

PAZ:

GRRR! DAVID YOU LOUT I AM GOING TO HURT YOU! *strangles friend*

I apologize for David's idiocy, he's more avid than I am. anyways. Forgive him. God is good...(from David) ignore that if you want, man. ANYWAYS! Geez. I don't concoct anything. I only believe the truth, and I know what is truth. Truth: I am a young teenage girl in the USA (lame country.) who honestly believes you're making a mistake about God and Christianity. Lie: You're an idiot. Truth: You're smart for your age, and I know your birthday. (I looked at the calendar.) Lie: I have never owned a hamster named Topazia who died at age 3 1/2. Lies are powerful. But you may believe this what you say, but it is the only lie I see, and it is very big. It is the work of Satan in your life, and he is feeding off the negativity in your life. Resentment, anger, cynicism, hatred, sadness, etc... You name it, I can tell you exactly how it feels, because I've been there. You have no idea. You may think you are in charge of your life, you may think you are the one running your schedule and your heart and your mind, but you're just fooling yourself. Rather, Satan is fooling you and killing you in the process. Oh, you're healthy physically, it may seem, but your soul is what counts. Do you enjoy pain? Do you enjoy overwhelming heat (or underwhelming, if it's really cold outside. j/k) There is no proof of the ufos and Nessy, these are only legends and folk tales to scare children to sleep. There is proof of God and the Angels. They are real. I can tell you the story of how Satan became the fallen angel and brought one third of the angels of heaven with him. I can tell you a lot about many things that you mock and slanderize. I can, but you have the textbook to back you up. If it wasn't a sin, I'd be jealous of your education. So there. I changed my mind. I won't stop. I'll stop in Illuminati, though.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

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You are twisting what I said, TGHL.

to DaVinci Code: I want to read it. I know where I can get one, too. I can't wait to read it.

ooohhhh, I'm gonna love this.

Well... Its variable. My parents think that God can go hang for all they care, but they don't raise any of us to hate God or be agnostic. But of course there is the fact I went to a religous school (C of E) and had the vicar come in every thursday and preach and do all the over things they do like inspire us, so on. He did very good renditions of the old testament stories you know, anyway, up until the age of 7/8 I would believe in God just because I was told he existed and did all these wonderful things etc. ANd of course then I get science don't I? So on. Look, the Bible is written by Mortal Men. Not even prophets. Not the son of God, mortal men. Who were told things (not by God obviously, but people who saw the inexplicable events and claimed it was a "higher" being) and they believed them and wrote it down, obviously exaggerating because no one likes a story about a boy slinging stones at a 7ft man with a long sword and eventually killing him, there has to be drama and excitement if you want believers and an audience. So you edit out the fact he slung several stones, increase the 7fters height and ferocity, make it seem as if the lad was aimed by God when he killed the giant. I mean even the Old Testament steals things, the flood? Mesoptamian flood in the height of the Mesoptamian civilasation, Noah was a trader and had a couple of cows and chickens on board when the River flooded. The flood was so great and the land and river so low and shallow it would have been like the Earth flooded.

Aww, so sweet. No wonder you're an Atheist. You haven't had enough exposure to the greatest truth there is. Anyone can do a good rendition of the OT, but how many can live it like JC? 7/8 is the most vital time. It's unfortunate that you never surrendered at such a young age. I would have, had I not been distracted. They were told what to write by God. I will say that until I die, because how else would all of the stories run together? The human mouth is not as reliable as written word. David only slung one stone, and Goliath was closer to nine feet tall. Dave trusted God to help him kill the enemy, and He did help the Young Boy defeat the big guy. Everyone who God sends out has some sort of weakness. Moses had a speech impediment, and David had a weakness for lovely ladies. Flood: GOD SENT A RAINBOW; AND EVERYONE DIED BUT THE GOOD MAN, NOAH, TGHL!!! Geez, I thought you knew that one. DUH!!!

Well done, but let me guess... You haven't gone anyway near Dan Brown and the Da Vinci code? No christian does. They don't like it. Especially when it turns out they were wrong about so much, and all the references to religon, the Holy Grail and the various other facts that come in are true. Dan Brown researches his facts, like Horatio. Anyway, no one has actual used science to prove meteors are going to strike earth tomorrow or even anyway in the near future (near future being a couple of million years) those who have predicted the world's destruction have been pathetic psychics, thiests who concuct 'codes' in the Bible to predict world destruction and of course the interesting Aztecs have got us penicled in for world destruction in 2012. Bush can arrange that.

I want to read the DaVinci Code. Dude, you can twist anything to what you want to say. I do it myself sometimes. I research my facts. I intend on going to the library much more often now so I can verify your own findings. Actually, scientists believe that a meteor will hit the earth in 2027 and destroy it. Voila. Proof, for you. The people who are guessing I repeat GUESSING!!! when the Earth is going to end are (I can't remember right at the moment) either going against Revelations and Matthew, or for, I can't remember. I'll check and verify when I'm done online. Bush is an idiot, TGHL. He can't do diddlysquat, so oh well if he smarts up and manages to kill you and me. UGH, he nauseates me with his stupid campaigns. Yech.

I don't, I have a life to live rather than wasting time on belief. I AGREE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) belief can do a lot for you, just not via the hand of God. As I have already discussed with Toto, sometimes the belief that something that turns out to be Asprin is a miracle cure for Cancer can sure it. Mind over matter. And before you say those cured believed in God, they didn't. One did and refused all treatment for the belief God would heal them and suprisingly, they died. Anyway. I get Peace anyway, through some Zen without having to believe in Nirvana. Afterlife? Pshaw. I will take that as it comes, although I like the idea you go where ever you believe you will. And I like the idea of Death personified. But... it may happen or not, I won't care until I get there. Out of Body experiences? Not hoaxes, hallucinations brought on by lack of blood, oxygen or something else. Btw, I apologise if I miss something, but there's a lot of this. Really? how does he answer them? And how do you know its him? Something strikes me from a book now, involving Fairy Godmothers (this is The Discworld, so don't expect it to be ssoppy), you shouldn't give someone what they want, but what they need.

No, I meant if I disappeared from the Earth. Every trace eradicated, no proof that I existed except one post on here. Would you still search for me? Keep praying and maybe you'll get something more than coincidence.

Wow, an agreement. Who gives a whoopin care? I have a life, too. I just live it for God, like I should. Like you should. (you didn't think I was gonna let that pss, did you? Belief is powerful stuff. Ever try it? (no.) Not everyone cured believes in God, you're right, but I'm willing to bet that most of them did. (anywhere over forty percent will be fine.) Refusal of treatment is stupid. Even I (an independent type) will not refuse treatment for something life-threatening, but I will continue to ask others to keep me in their prayers. Why don't you believe that there is an afterlife? Someone on here once said that, If there isn't an afterlife, but you live like there is, all the more to ya. But if there is an afterlife, and you live like there isn't, See you in Tophet. Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous. I read that somewhere, not in the Bible.

I can't really comment on the lie/truth stuff, since it is your perception of truth. But I can comment on Satan. It strikes me as odd how someone with as much power as Satan wastes it on torturing those who haven't met God's requirements. If I end up in ####, I am definitely going to change some things down there. Anyway, if he lives on my negative emotions he must be powerful by now, and if he does all this why not appear to me? Or say: "Hello, I decided to drop on you and tell you taht yes, I exist. Thanks for being such a miserable person in your life, I can tell you that you have been one of my best customers." I would then of course have a long conversation with him about the various things in life and asking why #### is so hot, why not tropical? After all he does live in it, he has his legions of Fallen Angels, the little devils and demons, the countless reams of people who worship him and of course medieval witches, all who need nice places to live in. So on.

Nessy and UFOs. Same amount of evidence for them as God. Mysterious sightings, unexplained stuff and various legends, storys, myths and rubbish. I could make a book of the stuff and claim it all be true and that people should keep an eye out for them and live accordingly. Sound familiar? Seems to be a variation of the Bible to me. As I said earlier, I like the personification of Death, Angels would be nice too, but I know its never going to happen, so I can write stories about what I would like to happen, what I would of liked to have happened, but I know its fiction and such, not real and I won't try and sell it as anything else.

Oh, tghl, you poor, doubtful soul. You can't change a thing, kid. You can't even change my mind, what makes you think you can change the way Satan runs things? Satan is weak, jealous, desperate, and manipulative. He is smart, too, which is why we even are in this mess. #### isn't necessarily hot. No one has seen it, so how do we know? The Bible tells us so. Jesus describes it a little in a parable. (see Illuminati topic for more details, I think it's on page three or four.) Do you read Piers Anthony's Incarnation Series? I read it, and I really liked it. Very enlightening, and oddly annoying. Oh, you should read the Bible more indepth sometime. It's not just a book of fairy tales about some old guy in the sky. Try reading the Gospel and Epistles, they are awesome. And Acts. That's very good. Write all you want, but nothing compares to the truth of the BIBLE.

 

and to your reply to my friend's idiocy (i can't believe I let him do that.): You keep taking it at face value. Want me to explain the Lord's prayer in words you'd understand? I paraphrased it once. I still have the paper.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Topazia, you are wrong. The Grim Hamster lord is right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've been reading through the past ten pages. She ain't gonna stop.

She really believes this... stuff.

[ZombieCat]

i don't care if someone is a different religion. Why does it matter?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Christianity says that God is the only God, there are no other Gods, only Christianity is the true religon, smite the unbelievers/heretics/so on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's very cynical of you. even I think so, and I am the world's most cynical Christian.

Actually, that's only half true.

This may seem weird, so brace yourself:

I love you. I love everyone. I would die for anyone.

Why? That what I should do.

I can't smite anyone, least of all those who need the Lord most.

That's hypocrisy, really.

 

DON'T RIDICULE THAT! I'M WARNING YOU!

 

I mean it. Don't twist what I said. I get that enough in my own city.

... well...

On second thought, it's free game. I don't care what people think about me anymore. It doesn't affect where I'm going, nor does it affect my attitude towards life anymore. So feel free to bug on my statement.

 

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Nice. Reverse psychology. Interesting, Topazia.

[Toto]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

[Topazia]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

[Horatio]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

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Of course Horatio, although I thought there were various other religous topics, I wille endavour to keep religon in religous topics. Is the Illuminati topic classed as religous btw?

 

Rain on everyone's parade Horatio? Unless you manage to turn yourself into an aqeauous solution and precipitate you shall do now such thing.

 

Your wish is our command.

[Horatio]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

Of course Horatio, although I thought there were various other religous topics, I wille endavour to keep religon in religous topics. Is the Illuminati topic classed as religous btw?

 

Rain on everyone's parade Horatio? Unless you manage to turn yourself into an aqeauous solution and precipitate you shall do now such thing.

 

Your wish is our command.

Thank you so much. Illuminati is a great topic. I am enjoying the reading.

[Topazia]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

[Horatio]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

Thanks!!!

[Topazia]

Thanks!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You're welcome!

 

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, right.

Sprained both of them before? I was wondering how to limp with 2 legs. I don't like pain killers, they rarely work and it doesn't help you increase your pain threshold.

[Topazia]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, right.

Sprained both of them before? I was wondering how to limp with 2 legs. I don't like pain killers, they rarely work and it doesn't help you increase your pain threshold.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, actually, they were once sprained at the same time. I have weak ankles! WAH!!!

[Mega Wolf]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry to ruin your moment, but a n00b is someone who is like, "omg i <3 hilry dff!" and is new. She only has the new part.

[ZombieCat]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, right.

Sprained both of them before? I was wondering how to limp with 2 legs. I don't like pain killers, they rarely work and it doesn't help you increase your pain threshold.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I done that before, too.

 

Topazia, I am not a n00b. I have been visiting this site for weeks, debating on whether to join or not.

[ZombieCat]

Topazia, why do you always put those two emoticons after almost every post?

[ZombieCat]

back on topic, you both have good points. You both believe what you're saying. I'm choosing to stay out of this, though I side with tghl.

 

Topazia: Why don't you explain to us how God can let something bad happen to his so-called "lost sheep"? If he loved us, why is there evil in the world?

 

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

[Topazia]

Topazia is very wise in her religion. She is wiser than I will most likely ever be, and she also if older than me. She has a real passion for defending God, and she's doing right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, thank you!

I'm not wise though. I just do what He tells me.

I also don't like it when people talk buggy on my Lord and Savior.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This may be a good time to ask everyone to keep religion to the religion topic. It was brought to my attention that some people feel uncomfortable with the religious talk in every topic and in many sigs.

 

I do not want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think, as religion is such a controversial topic, that we keep our religious thoughts to just the two topics we have.

 

Please let me know if this is okay with everyone.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That will be fine, Horatio. I'll change my sig presently.

 

Wow, that ended the agrguement/debate without either of us admitting defeat or me having to go through all of it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope.

I was in tampa with NO INTERNET ACCESS WHICH STUNK all weekend long.

ZombieCat, why do you say I am wrong? You're a n00b!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Convinent, as I was away all weekend spraining my ankle, getting nettled and brambled and finally making a 20 minute error on my Orienteering course. Still won, but....

Ah, the old "THOU ART ONLY A LOWLY n00b!" arguement.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was indicating that I doubted her knowledge of our argument, tghl.

Sprained ankle: I've done that! I've broken it, too! Pain killers are a wonderful thing, aren't they? (I have a bad habit of injuring myself. Like my tailbone! Long story.)

 

n00b: she is a n00b. Unless she's been checking the site out for awhile, she has nothing on you and me. It's common sense.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, right.

Sprained both of them before? I was wondering how to limp with 2 legs. I don't like pain killers, they rarely work and it doesn't help you increase your pain threshold.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I done that before, too.

 

Topazia, I am not a n00b. I have been visiting this site for weeks, debating on whether to join or not.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I sit in my chair, corrected! No wonder you are so well versed in our history.

Topazia, why do you always put those two emoticons after almost every post?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

It's my way of saying: I am a Christian, without really saying it.

back on topic, you both have good points. You both believe what you're saying. I'm choosing to stay out of this, though I side with tghl.

 

Topazia: Why don't you explain to us how God can let something bad happen to his so-called "lost sheep"? If he loved us, why is there evil in the world?

 

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure thing, Zap.

 

God uses the bad things that happen to us to mold our character. He doesn't like to see His children be in pain, but he lets these things happen to us in order to shape us. I'm willing to bet you weren't always so negative and totally against Christians. I'm also willing to bet you weren't so cynical and negative before what happened to your family, tghl. I do feel for you.

 

Look, Zap, I can totally understand what you're going through. I have a wild imagination, and I can easily dream up anything. I inherited a gory imagination from my mom. It's funny how I found that out. I won't babble.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

[ZombieCat]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

[Topazia]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

interesting title, that Dutchess-cat thing. *low voice that suppreses anger emits from the sPaz.*

TGHL... The Bible is not a farce. Zap, you're right. Don't bother going back. It's all jumbled up in the first 20 or so pages.

The Bible is very real. It is not a fake, a lie, a book of fairy tales, or a fraud or a scam. I do not believe in just anything. I believe only what my gut says is true. I don't mind writing the entire book of Acts in order to confirm the truth. I have seen this stuff on live television and with my own eyes. It is real. It is amazing, and undoubtedly the most true thing there is!

[The Grim Hamster lord]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You do, although I believe the term is "I stand corrected".

Better.

Negative is usually my thing. I choose evil over good, darkness over light, aethiesm over religon.

Just science, genetics and a pinch of loss.

Still bigger than you my decomposing companion. A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on. But now the truth has got its boots on and is doing some serious kicking.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

interesting title, that Dutchess-cat thing. *low voice that suppreses anger emits from the sPaz.*

TGHL... The Bible is not a farce. Zap, you're right. Don't bother going back. It's all jumbled up in the first 20 or so pages.

The Bible is very real. It is not a fake, a lie, a book of fairy tales, or a fraud or a scam. I do not believe in just anything. I believe only what my gut says is true. I don't mind writing the entire book of Acts in order to confirm the truth. I have seen this stuff on live television and with my own eyes. It is real. It is amazing, and undoubtedly the most true thing there is!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I apologise, I was lacking a suitable title for a female so I went for the nearest available one. DuchCat might have been better.

Oh I don't know, we have already covered the Bible in our arguements... or have we?

 

btw, did you know Revelations (in the same way it gives us the number of the beast (not devil); 666) gives the size of heaven? Assuming 2/3 is taken up by God Enterprises, then that leaves 1000000 square feet per person. Therefore, it makes you think that maybe pets are allowed.

[Toto]

*Knows what Topiza is doing and laughs*

[lexxscrapham]

you mean, perhaps the name of the beast.

 

"... which is the name of the beast, or the number of that name. [...] If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, His number is 666" -REV 14:17-18

[Topazia]

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You do, although I believe the term is "I stand corrected".

Better.

Negative is usually my thing. I choose evil over good, darkness over light, aethiesm over religon.

Just science, genetics and a pinch of loss.

Still bigger than you my decomposing companion. A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on. But now the truth has got its boots on and is doing some serious kicking.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

A pinch? *snorts derisively at the understatement, as she understands the feeling.*

You've said that before, and I still think that it's a symbol of your confusion.

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

interesting title, that Dutchess-cat thing. *low voice that suppreses anger emits from the sPaz.*

TGHL... The Bible is not a farce. Zap, you're right. Don't bother going back. It's all jumbled up in the first 20 or so pages.

The Bible is very real. It is not a fake, a lie, a book of fairy tales, or a fraud or a scam. I do not believe in just anything. I believe only what my gut says is true. I don't mind writing the entire book of Acts in order to confirm the truth. I have seen this stuff on live television and with my own eyes. It is real. It is amazing, and undoubtedly the most true thing there is!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I apologise, I was lacking a suitable title for a female so I went for the nearest available one. DuchCat might have been better.

Oh I don't know, we have already covered the Bible in our arguements... or have we?

 

btw, did you know Revelations (in the same way it gives us the number of the beast (not devil); 666) gives the size of heaven? Assuming 2/3 is taken up by God Enterprises, then that leaves 1000000 square feet per person. Therefore, it makes you think that maybe pets are allowed.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Yes, I know. You are versed in the word of God. Good. It is a shame that you refuse to believe the Truth. The devil is the ruler of the beast, God is divine and pure. You aren't pure, and neither is anyone else!

*Knows what Topiza is doing and laughs*

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What am I doing?

 

BTW, I have a feeling ZombieCat was being literal. You sit down to type on the pc, so there. I say that all the time.

[Topazia]

you mean, perhaps the name of the beast.

 

"... which is the name of the beast, or the number of that name. [...] If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, His number is 666" -REV 14:17-18

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nice, man.

[ZombieCat]

TGHL: Why don't you explain to Topazia (with as little cynicism as you can muster, please. Even I think too much is annoying, and I'm more so than you.) why Christianity is a sham? I would, but I'm out of this. I'm only producing questions so that you two can fight like gentlehams.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As little cynicism, oh dear. We have struck a problem. How about sarcasam or sillimillitude? A sham? I wouldn't call it a sham, sham is where it is collapsing (which incidently it is....) or of course it could be you mean scam. I would call Christianity; a scam, a fraud, the biggest lie in the world, a constantly schisiming and fractured flop with priests who lack the fire and passion of the old days, a dull farce (unsure whether this breaches decency levels...) and of course, a book of stories taken too seriously. Not forgetting a biased, heavily censored and manipulated pile of rubbish that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I'm not a hamster, you will find that I am a Gentlephoenix and Lady Patchwork over there is a Duchess-cat.

Oh and the reason I haven't gone into why I don't believe in Christianity is something that would take longer than Charles Darwin took to write the book on evolution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sit corrected. Okay, then argue like gentleHD'rs. Wow, very negative. Something has happened to you. Apparently, Topazia knows what this is, or she wouldn't have appeared so sincere in her writing. I'll just go back through this topic for more hints.

 

So, it's the biggest lie? I am the biggest lie, TGHL.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You do, although I believe the term is "I stand corrected".

Better.

Negative is usually my thing. I choose evil over good, darkness over light, aethiesm over religon.

Just science, genetics and a pinch of loss.

Still bigger than you my decomposing companion. A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on. But now the truth has got its boots on and is doing some serious kicking.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was being literal, as Topazia has wisely guessed. I AM NOT TOPAZIA!!!

[Patchwork]

Hey, TGHL, I just wanted to apologize for lying to you about not being Zap the ZombieCat. I have apologized, now here's why I did it:

 

I was going to trick you and act just like you have on this board so you could see just how silly you look opposing me. I was gong to come out sooner or later, but Taynio ended my fun prematurely, so I'm quite upset. You see, it is very important to me that I make an impact on someone's life every once and awhile, and you just happened to be my next choice. Seeing such argument and "flaming rows," as you said, actually revived my tenacity and dogged determination to be right. I am right, you just don't know it yet. Or anymore. Whatever. You can't deny what I've said. You mock it and trash it and take it at face value, and, while that is how most of the world does so, I thought you'd be different and actually read into the words. You cannot deny that I am a true believer and zealot when it comes to Christ and my beliefs, as you can plainly see in Paz's signature, and yet you try so incredibly hard to prove your point. I often fall into giggles because of the ridiculous quality of your posts, and my family and friends like what I am doing. As the one girl who never gave up, I can tell you that, even though you say something true, and you sort of believe it, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I can see in your posts that are actually honest and low-sarcasm, that you have seen some things. You seem lost, lonely, and proud, which is exactly the type of person I have always ended up befriending. I happen to like you as a good friend, just like Horatio and Taynio (yess, I luvya too, kid.) and everyone else here. I also know that this discussion has leaked over a bit too much, but I will never stop putting it in my signature. (from Topazia) I actually hang out with all of you more than I do with my RL friends, because they actually have a life (I don't.). TGHL, you know that I can be pretty brash and outspoken, but so can you, which is why I enjoy chatting with you here. I think (Big think.) that you are very cool and I only argue with you like this about religious topics. So there. I have been very honest and zero saracastic, so I can only expect the same when you reply to this. PLEEEEEAAAASSE be honest and unsarcastic. (Is that a word?) I have a bad habit of shouting when you are.

[Mega Wolf]

Heh. I just looked at pg. 58. There's a lot going on there. How did I miss it? Anyways, I'll stop helping either side since I'm sort of in-between in my opinions and I lean towards TGHL too much.

 

It's now sort of 2 on 1, in a way. Seeing as Taynio doesn't make much of an appearance and I have decided to stay out of it. If I can.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

A pinch? *snorts derisively at the understatement, as she understands the feeling.*

You've said that before, and I still think that it's a symbol of your confusion.

 

Yes, I know. You are versed in the word of God. Good. It is a shame that you refuse to believe the Truth. The devil is the ruler of the beast, God is divine and pure. You aren't pure, and neither is anyone else!

 

What am I doing?

 

BTW, I have a feeling ZombieCat was being literal. You sit down to type on the pc, so there. I say that all the time.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A teaspoon or perhaps a serving spoon full at most. Arguably not questioning something which you choose to allow to dictate you life is a sign of your own disinterest in life and a lack of desire to discover.

 

As I have said before, one does not need to have cancer in order to study it. I also find that knowing your enemy helps in the fight. I don't know, the beast could be anything. It doesn't say anything or even hint at what the beast is or who rules is. I never said I was pure, no one can be. Everyone has their flaws, and should God exist, he has at least one flaw too. Vanity.

 

I wouldn't know, I would like to know though.

[Topazia]

A pinch? *snorts derisively at the understatement, as she understands the feeling.*

You've said that before, and I still think that it's a symbol of your confusion.

 

Yes, I know. You are versed in the word of God. Good. It is a shame that you refuse to believe the Truth. The devil is the ruler of the beast, God is divine and pure. You aren't pure, and neither is anyone else!

 

What am I doing?

 

BTW, I have a feeling ZombieCat was being literal. You sit down to type on the pc, so there. I say that all the time.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A teaspoon or perhaps a serving spoon full at most. Arguably not questioning something which you choose to allow to dictate you life is a sign of your own disinterest in life and a lack of desire to discover.

 

As I have said before, one does not need to have cancer in order to study it. I also find that knowing your enemy helps in the fight. I don't know, the beast could be anything. It doesn't say anything or even hint at what the beast is or who rules is. I never said I was pure, no one can be. Everyone has their flaws, and should God exist, he has at least one flaw too. Vanity.

 

I wouldn't know, I would like to know though.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No problem.

Whatever you say, hardheart.

 

God is perfect. It does say in Exodus that He is a jealous God (explaining why He says to not worship idols).

 

What would you like to know? If God exists, or if He is perfect? Or if He does have a flaw, what it is? He does exist. He rocks. I know Him personally. He is perfect. Only a perfect Being can have the right to judge us, and He claims that right.

 

To prove my point.

Look, TGHL, just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. Just because you don't percieve that there are six billion people out there, doesn't mean there aren't. Christianity is growing, and it is growing faster and faster as the persecutioners find more ways to torture us. If you don't learn that, then you are lost to #### forever, and it won't matter what you do. There is an afterlife, and there are only two places to go. We can't see them, but they are there. They are in another dimension. It sounds sci-fi, but that's how it is. I read it somewhere. You are going to Heaven or ####, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can only determine where you go by what your take on God is. He exists. He sent His Son, His only Son, to die so that you could live forever. God wants you to be happy. If something bad happens, you have a choice: let Him use that and mold it into someting even better, or stay bitter and pretend to be "over it" for the rest of your life. If you don't do something about that, then, well, I guess you're lost forever. When you die, you are in for a big surprise, and I don't think you'll like it very much.

 

--Atwi

[The Grim Hamster lord]

A pinch? *snorts derisively at the understatement, as she understands the feeling.*

You've said that before, and I still think that it's a symbol of your confusion.

 

Yes, I know. You are versed in the word of God. Good. It is a shame that you refuse to believe the Truth. The devil is the ruler of the beast, God is divine and pure. You aren't pure, and neither is anyone else!

 

What am I doing?

 

BTW, I have a feeling ZombieCat was being literal. You sit down to type on the pc, so there. I say that all the time.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A teaspoon or perhaps a serving spoon full at most. Arguably not questioning something which you choose to allow to dictate you life is a sign of your own disinterest in life and a lack of desire to discover.

 

As I have said before, one does not need to have cancer in order to study it. I also find that knowing your enemy helps in the fight. I don't know, the beast could be anything. It doesn't say anything or even hint at what the beast is or who rules is. I never said I was pure, no one can be. Everyone has their flaws, and should God exist, he has at least one flaw too. Vanity.

 

I wouldn't know, I would like to know though.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No problem.

Whatever you say, hardheart.

 

God is perfect. It does say in Exodus that He is a jealous God (explaining why He says to not worship idols).

 

What would you like to know? If God exists, or if He is perfect? Or if He does have a flaw, what it is? He does exist. He rocks. I know Him personally. He is perfect. Only a perfect Being can have the right to judge us, and He claims that right.

 

To prove my point.

Look, TGHL, just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. Just because you don't percieve that there are six billion people out there, doesn't mean there aren't. Christianity is growing, and it is growing faster and faster as the persecutioners find more ways to torture us. If you don't learn that, then you are lost to #### forever, and it won't matter what you do. There is an afterlife, and there are only two places to go. We can't see them, but they are there. They are in another dimension. It sounds sci-fi, but that's how it is. I read it somewhere. You are going to Heaven or ####, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can only determine where you go by what your take on God is. He exists. He sent His Son, His only Son, to die so that you could live forever. God wants you to be happy. If something bad happens, you have a choice: let Him use that and mold it into someting even better, or stay bitter and pretend to be "over it" for the rest of your life. If you don't do something about that, then, well, I guess you're lost forever. When you die, you are in for a big surprise, and I don't think you'll like it very much.

 

--Atwi

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I mourn my brother, don't misunderstand, but what I don't do is try and escape my pain by blaming it on or by believing in a non-entity. And if I have a hard heart, it's only because of the scars.

 

He is vain and possibly not very well furnished in the brain department. This sumarrization is taken from Genesis.

1) How vain do you have to be to create your prized and most complicated work in your own image?

2) banning something which is against the nature of what he created is stupid, its like giving me a gun, a small room and George Bush and asking me not to kill him.

3) He really must be stupid to create what would destroy.

 

His existance would be a nice start, and possibly a formal or informal discussion about various topics, put it this way Topazia, if I am ever turned, I will be more fanatical and devoted than Saul/Paul was after being turned.

 

You just have to look hard don't you? I've looked hard, scanned for evidence to proove myself wrong and failed. A slightly nice side effect was I discovered how the Bible measured on a standard of truth revealed that the Bible registers a point 0 recurring amount, with an infinite amount of one somewhere in it. But the amount of infinite 0's out weigh the infinite 1's.

Christianity is not growing, it is dying. It relies on a fanatical control over most of America, missionaries in 3rd world countries fooling the locals who need something to hope for, although G8 looks as if it might be a more useful "God" than God at the minute and of course, the rapidly slipping grip on Italy and Spain. Also, don't forget that schisms are keelingitdead faster than anything else and of course some people who claim to be Christian for the sakes of censuses and the like are actually agnostic or closet aethiests, like the great relgious painters. Also, please compare 6 billion to the previous count of something in the region of 1 Quillion (actual number).

Yes, yes, the old "ye shall be smited if ye do not do what I say." ploy. Problem is, dictators try that don't they? And they still have freedom fighters and rebellions, and yet you would not say these are wrong would you? People demanding free speech is not wrong is it or say having a personal opinion, without being punished? There is no line between God and worship, and a Dictator and rebellion.

If God cares so much about the sheep who has gone astray, then I beseech him, let me proven wrong, proove me wrong so I may not spend the rest of eternity regretting the mistake on an instant and let me spread his word. Show me, and I shall listen, but make the speech good enough that I do believe.

Again, knowing what Constantine did changes and effectively nullifies anything and everything said about Jesus in his Son of God, miracle boy role.

I'll protest to God or perhaps look for a job opportunity with the Devil then, unfortunately, neither will happen mainly because I'll just cease to exist.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Btw, I am momentarily confused because one minute a post of Topazia's is here, with -5 sized text and a white colouring, which I responded to and now it has dissolved..... Mysteriously.....

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Hey, TGHL, I just wanted to apologize for lying to you about not being Zap the ZombieCat. I have apologized, now here's why I did it:

 

I was going to trick you and act just like you have on this board so you could see just how silly you look opposing me. I was gong to come out sooner or later, but Taynio ended my fun prematurely, so I'm quite upset. You see, it is very important to me that I make an impact on someone's life every once and awhile, and you just happened to be my next choice. Seeing such argument and "flaming rows," as you said, actually revived my tenacity and dogged determination to be right. I am right, you just don't know it yet. Or anymore. Whatever. You can't deny what I've said. You mock it and trash it and take it at face value, and, while that is how most of the world does so, I thought you'd be different and actually read into the words. You cannot deny that I am a true believer and zealot when it comes to Christ and my beliefs, as you can plainly see in Paz's signature, and yet you try so incredibly hard to prove your point. I often fall into giggles because of the ridiculous quality of your posts, and my family and friends like what I am doing. As the one girl who never gave up, I can tell you that, even though you say something true, and you sort of believe it, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I can see in your posts that are actually honest and low-sarcasm, that you have seen some things. You seem lost, lonely, and proud, which is exactly the type of person I have always ended up befriending. I happen to like you as a good friend, just like Horatio and Taynio (yess, I luvya too, kid.) and everyone else here. I also know that this discussion has leaked over a bit too much, but I will never stop putting it in my signature. (from Topazia) I actually hang out with all of you more than I do with my RL friends, because they actually have a life (I don't.). TGHL, you know that I can be pretty brash and outspoken, but so can you, which is why I enjoy chatting with you here. I think (Big think.) that you are very cool and I only argue with you like this about religious topics. So there. I have been very honest and zero saracastic, so I can only expect the same when you reply to this. PLEEEEEAAAASSE be honest and unsarcastic. (Is that a word?) I have a bad habit of shouting when you are.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Indeed. Out of interest, how did Tayino guess?

[Topazia]

Hey, TGHL, I just wanted to apologize for lying to you about not being Zap the ZombieCat. I have apologized, now here's why I did it:

 

I was going to trick you and act just like you have on this board so you could see just how silly you look opposing me. I was gong to come out sooner or later, but Taynio ended my fun prematurely, so I'm quite upset. You see, it is very important to me that I make an impact on someone's life every once and awhile, and you just happened to be my next choice. Seeing such argument and "flaming rows," as you said, actually revived my tenacity and dogged determination to be right. I am right, you just don't know it yet. Or anymore. Whatever. You can't deny what I've said. You mock it and trash it and take it at face value, and, while that is how most of the world does so, I thought you'd be different and actually read into the words. You cannot deny that I am a true believer and zealot when it comes to Christ and my beliefs, as you can plainly see in Paz's signature, and yet you try so incredibly hard to prove your point. I often fall into giggles because of the ridiculous quality of your posts, and my family and friends like what I am doing. As the one girl who never gave up, I can tell you that, even though you say something true, and you sort of believe it, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I can see in your posts that are actually honest and low-sarcasm, that you have seen some things. You seem lost, lonely, and proud, which is exactly the type of person I have always ended up befriending. I happen to like you as a good friend, just like Horatio and Taynio (yess, I luvya too, kid.) and everyone else here. I also know that this discussion has leaked over a bit too much, but I will never stop putting it in my signature. (from Topazia) I actually hang out with all of you more than I do with my RL friends, because they actually have a life (I don't.). TGHL, you know that I can be pretty brash and outspoken, but so can you, which is why I enjoy chatting with you here. I think (Big think.) that you are very cool and I only argue with you like this about religious topics. So there. I have been very honest and zero saracastic, so I can only expect the same when you reply to this. PLEEEEEAAAASSE be honest and unsarcastic. (Is that a word?) I have a bad habit of shouting when you are.

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Indeed. Out of interest, how did Tayino guess?

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He didn't. He t'd me off with a post blatantly insulting my faith, and I was on ZombieCat account. I forgot, and only after I hit post reply did I realize my mistake. A lot of people (including you and Taynio and anyone else who posts regularly) here are smarter than I tell them.

[Topazia]

Wow. What a challenge. (to the whitened text)...

okay, I again break up your post to reply.

 

I mourn my brother, don't misunderstand, but what I don't do is try and escape my pain by blaming it on or by believing in a non-entity. And if I have a hard heart, it's only because of the scars.

Oh, good, an honest reply with low sarcasm. I see that more often lately.

He is vain and possibly not very well furnished in the brain department. This sumarrization is taken from Genesis.

1) How vain do you have to be to create your prized and most complicated work in your own image?

2) banning something which is against the nature of what he created is stupid, its like giving me a gun, a small room and George Bush and asking me not to kill him.

3) He really must be stupid to create what would destroy.

Oh my. Vanity isn't what I would call that. Knowledge of His perfection is more like it.

1) Not vain. Smart. These bodies have to last us 120 years, you know.

2) Satan was not always evil. He was in charge of music and light, and God granted the angels free will. Satan somehow got it in his head that he was better than the one who created him (mistake no. 1) and then he rounded up a bunch of his buddies, one third of Heaven. They rallied against the Most High. He "smote" them and sent them to Hades, the eternal lake of fire. Lovely story, eh? I read it somewhere. Three guesses where, and I heard it on lightforce radio as well. I can understand your thoughts on Bush.

3) He knew what He was doing. If there was no "evil" in the world, how would we know that He wasn't evil? It's a matter of principle.

His existance would be a nice start, and possibly a formal or informal discussion about various topics, put it this way Topazia, if I am ever turned, I will be more fanatical and devoted than Saul/Paul was after being turned.

Well, that would be great, considering it was Paul who wrote almost all the Epistles. I love Romans. "If I am ever turned..." that was my philosophy. Cool. There is a possibility. You can choose to ignore the facts, but here is the truest one. I know I sound repetitive and broken-record-ly, but God exists. I don't know how else to explain it. It takes a certain amount to faith to believe it, and I find that faith sometimes difficult to obtain. My battery is the simple belief that God is the "someone out there" that we all yearn for. If you can honestly say that you are a whole being as an Atheist, and I will be able to tell if you are lying, then I pity you.

You just have to look hard don't you? I've looked hard, scanned for evidence to proove myself wrong and failed. A slightly nice side effect was I discovered how the Bible measured on a standard of truth revealed that the Bible registers a point 0 recurring amount, with an infinite amount of one somewhere in it. But the amount of infinite 0's out weigh the infinite 1's.

What? That blew over my head. Let me read it again... Actually, you don't have to look that hard. You can find evidence of God's awesome works everywhere. In the bad part of town, where lots of homeless people live, you can see a young girl or boy giving his neighbor the bit of bread he/she had worked so hard to get for him/herself. In another part, maybe a grocery store, you can see a tall stranger get somehing off the top shelf for an elderly woman. Or in the drivers' licensing agency, a teenage girl gives up her spot in line for another person further back in line, who could expect to wait for two hours. It's everywhere, and you only have to look a little bit.

Christianity is not growing, it is dying. It relies on a fanatical control over most of America, missionaries in 3rd world countries fooling the locals who need something to hope for, although G8 looks as if it might be a more useful "God" than God at the minute and of course, the rapidly slipping grip on Italy and Spain. Also, don't forget that schisms are keelingitdead faster than anything else and of course some people who claim to be Christian for the sakes of censuses and the like are actually agnostic or closet aethiests, like the great relgious painters. Also, please compare 6 billion to the previous count of something in the region of 1 Quillion (actual number).

Not so. It is growing, just not in Europe. Actually, there are probably hundreds of closet Christians who worship in private because they are pressured to be Atheistic. Ever think of that? The Crusaders were the work of zealots and overenthusiastic bumbleheads who meant well but didn't know enough from the Latin texts. the large number isn't here yet. It is six billion. The world runs on material, so we think materialistically. We should forget the wealth and go for the riches of God's promise. Then again, if we don't do what He says, (we tend to downplay this, I admit it) He will curse us. It says so right in the Bible. My Fr. Myron did an excellent ppt pres. sermon/homile on it several weeks ago.

Yes, yes, the old "ye shall be smited if ye do not do what I say." ploy. Problem is, dictators try that don't they? And they still have freedom fighters and rebellions, and yet you would not say these are wrong would you? People demanding free speech is not wrong is it or say having a personal opinion, without being punished? There is no line between God and worship, and a Dictator and rebellion.

The problem is, that ploy works. The dictators use violence. God uses truth, and only smites us when we blaspheme against Him. Now, there is a clear difference! That's not fair! There is a huge difference between God and Saddam Hussein or Nero! Those mere mortals use fabricated lies and deception, not to mention torture to get their way, when God uses a clearly defined set of rules that parents often go by whether they are Christian or not! You have generalized the meaning of God's existence down to a mere theory, and that's not fair! Look at yourself for a moment! You're smart to admit you're not pure, and I commend you for admitting something most are too proud to say. Not many aren't.

If God cares so much about the sheep who has gone astray, then I beseech him, let me proven wrong, proove me wrong so I may not spend the rest of eternity regretting the mistake on an instant and let me spread his word. Show me, and I shall listen, but make the speech good enough that I do believe.

Again, knowing what Constantine did changes and effectively nullifies anything and everything said about Jesus in his Son of God, miracle boy role.

I'll protest to God or perhaps look for a job opportunity with the Devil then, unfortunately, neither will happen mainly because I'll just cease to exist.

He does care. I can't write a speech impromptu, and I can't really say much in the way of convincing and persuasive speech techniques, nor can I convince someone who is stolid in their ways. I have been trying to get through to you for about as long as you've been here, which is three months shorter than me. I am honest (for the most part) and blunt, and I use big words, but I know I haven't had much of an effect. I do pray for my friends at HD, and you are one of them. I pray for guidance so that I don't lead those who listen to me, both here and elsewhere, astray. I know that, most likely, I am the only Bible they see each day. I have my faults and weaknesses, but God uses them to His advantage. I don't know how to convice you that God loves you and wants the best for you, or that He even exists. I can only let Him speak through me and guide my hands and feet down the right path. I can only trust my heart and write down what He tells me to if I want to be perfectly clear in my purpose. I feel like an idiot sometimes because I don't know all that much about Constantine and such, especially when you, an Atheist who is younger than me, know more about my faith than I do now. I don't know how to tell you this without saying what I've been saying. God exists. I am honest with you, and rarely as sarcastic as you, and, well, I appreciate that you dropped the post where I said I love you, to be honest. It might make you uncomfortable, but believe me, it is way harder to tell a complete stranger or someone who is cruel to you that you love them than to see and hear it being said. You have no idea how hard it is to be a Christian, but all that turmoil pays off in the long run. I have a kind of life insurance that is way better than the solicitors we have today give out. I have the knowledge that I will be happy forever. I will go home to my Father, and you will be left gnashing your teeth outside if you don't "turn" as you put it. I can't tell you how much I enjoy discussing this with you, because if this were in real life, I would be stuttering and mess up more than you can imagine. I don't think on my feet well when it comes to speaking out, but when I get the keyboard in fron of me, well, let's just say I only got off my laptop because I got frustrated with myself for not saving pgs 332 and 333 in my story, so I lost the last two pages to the abyss. (darnit, it was pretty good stuff, too!) I'm not bragging about my talents of writing, I'm only saying that I'm kinda glad we live 5500km or so apart. (correct me if I'm wrong. GB to the east coast of USA.) I guess that I've shot my mouth off, so I'll stop. You won't believe me anyway.

[Topazia]

Wow. What a challenge. (to the whitened text)...

okay, I again break up your post to reply.

 

I mourn my brother, don't misunderstand, but what I don't do is try and escape my pain by blaming it on or by believing in a non-entity. And if I have a hard heart, it's only because of the scars.

Oh, good, an honest reply with low sarcasm. I see that more often lately.

He is vain and possibly not very well furnished in the brain department. This sumarrization is taken from Genesis.

1) How vain do you have to be to create your prized and most complicated work in your own image?

2) banning something which is against the nature of what he created is stupid, its like giving me a gun, a small room and George Bush and asking me not to kill him.

3) He really must be stupid to create what would destroy.

Oh my. Vanity isn't what I would call that. Knowledge of His perfection is more like it.

1) Not vain. Smart. These bodies have to last us 120 years, you know.

2) Satan was not always evil. He was in charge of music and light, and God granted the angels free will. Satan somehow got it in his head that he was better than the one who created him (mistake no. 1) and then he rounded up a bunch of his buddies, one third of Heaven. They rallied against the Most High. He "smote" them and sent them to Hades, the eternal lake of fire. Lovely story, eh? I read it somewhere. Three guesses where, and I heard it on lightforce radio as well. I can understand your thoughts on Bush.

3) He knew what He was doing. If there was no "evil" in the world, how would we know that He wasn't evil? It's a matter of principle.

His existance would be a nice start, and possibly a formal or informal discussion about various topics, put it this way Topazia, if I am ever turned, I will be more fanatical and devoted than Saul/Paul was after being turned.

Well, that would be great, considering it was Paul who wrote almost all the Epistles. I love Romans. "If I am ever turned..." that was my philosophy. Cool. There is a possibility. You can choose to ignore the facts, but here is the truest one. I know I sound repetitive and broken-record-ly, but God exists. I don't know how else to explain it. It takes a certain amount to faith to believe it, and I find that faith sometimes difficult to obtain. My battery is the simple belief that God is the "someone out there" that we all yearn for. If you can honestly say that you are a whole being as an Atheist, and I will be able to tell if you are lying, then I pity you.

You just have to look hard don't you? I've looked hard, scanned for evidence to proove myself wrong and failed. A slightly nice side effect was I discovered how the Bible measured on a standard of truth revealed that the Bible registers a point 0 recurring amount, with an infinite amount of one somewhere in it. But the amount of infinite 0's out weigh the infinite 1's.

What? That blew over my head. Let me read it again... Actually, you don't have to look that hard. You can find evidence of God's awesome works everywhere. In the bad part of town, where lots of homeless people live, you can see a young girl or boy giving his neighbor the bit of bread he/she had worked so hard to get for him/herself. In another part, maybe a grocery store, you can see a tall stranger get somehing off the top shelf for an elderly woman. Or in the drivers' licensing agency, a teenage girl gives up her spot in line for another person further back in line, who could expect to wait for two hours. It's everywhere, and you only have to look a little bit.

Christianity is not growing, it is dying. It relies on a fanatical control over most of America, missionaries in 3rd world countries fooling the locals who need something to hope for, although G8 looks as if it might be a more useful "God" than God at the minute and of course, the rapidly slipping grip on Italy and Spain. Also, don't forget that schisms are keelingitdead faster than anything else and of course some people who claim to be Christian for the sakes of censuses and the like are actually agnostic or closet aethiests, like the great relgious painters. Also, please compare 6 billion to the previous count of something in the region of 1 Quillion (actual number).

Not so. It is growing, just not in Europe. Actually, there are probably hundreds of closet Christians who worship in private because they are pressured to be Atheistic. Ever think of that? The Crusaders were the work of zealots and overenthusiastic bumbleheads who meant well but didn't know enough from the Latin texts. the large number isn't here yet. It is six billion. The world runs on material, so we think materialistically. We should forget the wealth and go for the riches of God's promise. Then again, if we don't do what He says, (we tend to downplay this, I admit it) He will curse us. It says so right in the Bible. My Fr. Myron did an excellent ppt pres. sermon/homile on it several weeks ago.

Yes, yes, the old "ye shall be smited if ye do not do what I say." ploy. Problem is, dictators try that don't they? And they still have freedom fighters and rebellions, and yet you would not say these are wrong would you? People demanding free speech is not wrong is it or say having a personal opinion, without being punished? There is no line between God and worship, and a Dictator and rebellion.

The problem is, that ploy works. The dictators use violence. God uses truth, and only smites us when we blaspheme against Him. Now, there is a clear difference! That's not fair! There is a huge difference between God and Saddam Hussein or Nero! Those mere mortals use fabricated lies and deception, not to mention torture to get their way, when God uses a clearly defined set of rules that parents often go by whether they are Christian or not! You have generalized the meaning of God's existence down to a mere theory, and that's not fair! Look at yourself for a moment! You're smart to admit you're not pure, and I commend you for admitting something most are too proud to say. Not many aren't.

If God cares so much about the sheep who has gone astray, then I beseech him, let me proven wrong, proove me wrong so I may not spend the rest of eternity regretting the mistake on an instant and let me spread his word. Show me, and I shall listen, but make the speech good enough that I do believe.

Again, knowing what Constantine did changes and effectively nullifies anything and everything said about Jesus in his Son of God, miracle boy role.

I'll protest to God or perhaps look for a job opportunity with the Devil then, unfortunately, neither will happen mainly because I'll just cease to exist.

He does care. I can't write a speech impromptu, and I can't really say much in the way of convincing and persuasive speech techniques, nor can I convince someone who is stolid in their ways. I have been trying to get through to you for about as long as you've been here, which is a month[/i] shorter than me. I am honest (for the most part) and blunt, and I use big words, but I know I haven't had much of an effect. I do pray for my friends at HD, and you are one of them. I pray for guidance so that I don't lead those who listen to me, both here and elsewhere, astray. I know that, most likely, I am the only Bible they see each day. I have my faults and weaknesses, but God uses them to His advantage. I don't know how to convice you that God loves you and wants the best for you, or that He even exists. I can only let Him speak through me and guide my hands and feet down the right path. I can only trust my heart and write down what He tells me to if I want to be perfectly clear in my purpose. I feel like an idiot sometimes because I don't know all that much about Constantine and such, especially when you, an Atheist who is younger than me, know more about my faith than I do now. I don't know how to tell you this without saying what I've been saying. God exists. I am honest with you, and rarely as sarcastic as you, and, well, I appreciate that you dropped the post where I said I love you, to be honest. It might make you uncomfortable, but believe me, it is way harder to tell a complete stranger or someone who is cruel to you that you love them than to see and hear it being said. You have no idea how hard it is to be a Christian, but all that turmoil pays off in the long run. I have a kind of life insurance that is way better than the solicitors we have today give out. I have the knowledge that I will be happy forever. I will go home to my Father, and you will be left gnashing your teeth outside if you don't "turn" as you put it. I can't tell you how much I enjoy discussing this with you, because if this were in real life, I would be stuttering and mess up more than you can imagine. I don't think on my feet well when it comes to speaking out, but when I get the keyboard in fron of me, well, let's just say I only got off my laptop because I got frustrated with myself for not saving pgs 332 and 333 in my story, so I lost the last two pages to the abyss. (darnit, it was pretty good stuff, too!) I'm not bragging about my talents of writing, I'm only saying that I'm kinda glad we live 5500km or so apart. (correct me if I'm wrong. GB to the east coast of USA.) I guess that I've shot my mouth off, so I'll stop. You won't believe me anyway.

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whoops. october, november, is one month. *dur*

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Ouch, this is going to hurt my fingers and give me TTS (terminal typing syndrome). Break it up I shall.

 

Oh, good, an honest reply with low sarcasm. I see that more often lately.

Be thankful, it is rare like a very poisonous and vile tasting fish which many people seek to eat for that reason and eat a dish containing absoloutly no trace of the fish at all.

Oh my. Vanity isn't what I would call that. Knowledge of His perfection is more like it.

1) Not vain. Smart. These bodies have to last us 120 years, you know.

2) Satan was not always evil. He was in charge of music and light, and God granted the angels free will. Satan somehow got it in his head that he was better than the one who created him (mistake no. 1) and then he rounded up a bunch of his buddies, one third of Heaven. They rallied against the Most High. He "smote" them and sent them to Hades, the eternal lake of fire. Lovely story, eh? I read it somewhere. Three guesses where, and I heard it on lightforce radio as well. I can understand your thoughts on Bush.

3) He knew what He was doing. If there was no "evil" in the world, how would we know that He wasn't evil? It's a matter of principle.

That is effectively the same thing he says.

1) COmplex is not the vain part, vain is creating us so we would a) be the same as him, which makes you think, if everything is the same, that means God is limited by our own brains. But with one thing and another, only small women in France who only go out into the sun once or twice in their lives achieve that.

2) I never mentioned Satan, I mentioned making us so that we would be tempted by something we desire more than anything, knowledge.

3) If there was no evil, we would have a concept of evil and would not consider God evil as there would be no concept, as you said yourself.

Well, that would be great, considering it was Paul who wrote almost all the Epistles. I love Romans. "If I am ever turned..." that was my philosophy. Cool. There is a possibility. You can choose to ignore the facts, but here is the truest one. I know I sound repetitive and broken-record-ly, but God exists. I don't know how else to explain it. It takes a certain amount to faith to believe it, and I find that faith sometimes difficult to obtain. My battery is the simple belief that God is the "someone out there" that we all yearn for. If you can honestly say that you are a whole being as an Atheist, and I will be able to tell if you are lying, then I pity you.

And ranted at various people and tried to dicatate their lives. Oh and he had epilepsy. There is a possibilty, but so long as I stick to the facts that chance is pretty slim. Ah, so you would be one of the ones who has had a feeling of pure peacefulness and the sense that you owe your life to a greater being? I.e. one of those odd hallucigenic fits that people call religous experiences. I can honestly proclaim/say/exclaim that I am a true aethiest and have not even the single iota of doubt in God's non-existance.

What? That blew over my head. Let me read it again... Actually, you don't have to look that hard. You can find evidence of God's awesome works everywhere. In the bad part of town, where lots of homeless people live, you can see a young girl or boy giving his neighbor the bit of bread he/she had worked so hard to get for him/herself. In another part, maybe a grocery store, you can see a tall stranger get somehing off the top shelf for an elderly woman. Or in the drivers' licensing agency, a teenage girl gives up her spot in line for another person further back in line, who could expect to wait for two hours. It's everywhere, and you only have to look a little bit.

Oh I see, so now Human Nature, sympathy and all other human emotions are somehow being controlled by God when it is the church saying God doesn't intervene when it comes to Evil And Suffering because he gave us free will. You can't argue both ways you know, one cancels the other out. Choose carefully.

Not so. It is growing, just not in Europe. Actually, there are probably hundreds of closet Christians who worship in private because they are pressured to be Atheistic. Ever think of that? The Crusaders were the work of zealots and overenthusiastic bumbleheads who meant well but didn't know enough from the Latin texts. the large number isn't here yet. It is six billion. The world runs on material, so we think materialistically. We should forget the wealth and go for the riches of God's promise. Then again, if we don't do what He says, (we tend to downplay this, I admit it) He will curse us. It says so right in the Bible. My Fr. Myron did an excellent ppt pres. sermon/homile on it several weeks ago.

It is dead in Europe. ANd people are not pressured to be Aethiest, since Aethiests do not have churches or anywhere in which to pressure people into saying that God does not exist, no one in Europe or any other country is pressured to choose a certain religon, they can choose. That's why we seem to get so many different religons here because there is so much pressure. You should try Buddhism, all the peace and tranqility you want without having to believe in anything special, well that's if you decide to do Zen. I agree, but that's the thing isn't it? They really, truely believed with all their hearts, to the extent they would die for it. That is what true belief is, not the half hearted "I'm not too sure, but just in case he does exist I'll say I believe" belief that you get now. Also, they were the ones who only knew how to read Latin. WHich large number? Is that 6 billion in American terms or 6 billion in EUropean terms? There's a difference, 6 thousand million is 6 billion in American terms (I'm really sure about this, although it may vary from State to State like many things) and a European billion is 6 million million. Make the most of life and try and live in as much comfort as possible while aiding those around you who are less fortunate is what you should do. So there really is no difference between Saddam and God! Disobey God he smites you with thunderbolts and general curse, disobey Saddam and you die in gas chambers and other nice ways.

The problem is, that ploy works. The dictators use violence. God uses truth, and only smites us when we blaspheme against Him. Now, there is a clear difference! That's not fair! There is a huge difference between God and Saddam Hussein or Nero! Those mere mortals use fabricated lies and deception, not to mention torture to get their way, when God uses a clearly defined set of rules that parents often go by whether they are Christian or not! You have generalized the meaning of God's existence down to a mere theory, and that's not fair! Look at yourself for a moment! You're smart to admit you're not pure, and I commend you for admitting something most are too proud to say. Not many aren't.

The problem is you just admitted that God uses the same ploy as Dictators. The Dictators use gas chambers, God uses curses and thunderbolts. The Dictators smite us when say something against them, God smites us for saying something against him. (Nero ended up a Christian himself I believe and wasn't a dictator of sorts, more a callous hard man who did what the then Pagan population of Rome wanted him to do, [Dalek Voice]EXTERMINATE [/Voice] the Christian liars or if you want to be nasty, blasphemers.) Dictators threaten us, God threatens us with smiting and ####. God punishes thousands, even millions to make a point, so do Dictators. God uses the Commandments or Diktats as I like to call them to Dictate our lives, and Dictators use their laws (which is what the COmmandments are called suprisingly) to dictate our lives. God fails to see the power of your way of being brought up, so do Dictators except in the singular case of Hitler. I have a theory in addition to the factual knowledge God doesn't exist, should God exist, he did not create the world. He was the first angel who came into being, and was cunning enough to decieve those who popped into existance afterwards that he really is their creator...

Dickens, I can't do the next bit in one go, break it up even further..... How to break it up though?

He does care. I can't write a speech impromptu, and I can't really say much in the way of convincing and persuasive speech techniques, nor can I convince someone who is stolid in their ways. I have been trying to get through to you for about as long as you've been here, which is three months shorter than me. I am honest (for the most part) and blunt, and I use big words, but I know I haven't had much of an effect.

But he doesn't show does he? He doesn't comfort, he doesn't even try. A half dead skunk could make more effort than he does. But belief should do that for you, if your truely believe it should give you a confidence and radiance that outshines all else, and makes you appear to others to be lit by some sort of internal light., If Saul who was such a hater of christianity can be convinced in an epileptic fit that Christ and God exists, then you should be able to make an army of followers. ANd another thing, you didn't used to try and get through to me, not in the beginning or for any time after that, you only started after you returned.

I do pray for my friends at HD, and you are one of them. I pray for guidance so that I don't lead those who listen to me, both here and elsewhere, astray. I know that, most likely, I am the only Bible they see each day. I have my faults and weaknesses, but God uses them to His advantage. I don't know how to convice you that God loves you and wants the best for you, or that He even exists. I can only let Him speak through me and guide my hands and feet down the right path. I can only trust my heart and write down what He tells me to if I want to be perfectly clear in my purpose.

That's good, it shows you genuinely care for them to the extent that you pray for them because you can't get to them in any other way except via your advice and comfort on here, which is usually much easier, well recieved and more helpful. Just one point, when people take advantage of weaknesses, it's generally called exploitation, just a point. That sounds more like true belief.

I feel like an idiot sometimes because I don't know all that much about Constantine and such, especially when you, an Atheist who is younger than me, know more about my faith than I do now. I don't know how to tell you this without saying what I've been saying. God exists. I am honest with you, and rarely as sarcastic as you, and, well, I appreciate that you dropped the post where I said I love you, to be honest. It might make you uncomfortable, but believe me, it is way harder to tell a complete stranger or someone who is cruel to you that you love them than to see and hear it being said. You have no idea how hard it is to be a Christian, but all that turmoil pays off in the long run.

Don't be, Constantine and what he did for Modern Christianity is a rare known fact that many priests don't know about, but just because they don't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm used to strangers saying hello, (this is all that seperates the North of England from the South, or so I have heard I hate this idea of North and South, you just ask for Civil War. It's the same when Sinn Fein, the SNP and Plaid Cymru say they want to split from Britain, it's a rubbish idea, impractical and they do it for non-existant reasons) so random expressions of love and greeting are no new thing to me. I don't, I just amble through my life without having to worry about belief or worship, I just go out and do my own thing. It may, but we'll see won't we?

I have a kind of life insurance that is way better than the solicitors we have today give out. I have the knowledge that I will be happy forever. I will go home to my Father, and you will be left gnashing your teeth outside if you don't "turn" as you put it. I can't tell you how much I enjoy discussing this with you, because if this were in real life, I would be stuttering and mess up more than you can imagine.

*attention is starting to drift* *gets distracted by Green Day* *listens for ages* Heaven doesn't sound all that appealing if you think about it, it just sounds like sitting in your 1,000 mile by 1,000 mile plot being bored, and eventually wandering it God Enterprises to listen to Jesus for a couple of eternities. No chance of any pleasures of the flesh up there. You can only guess can't you? We're never going to meet up in Paris or something, which is a shame in some aspects, not so much in others.

I don't think on my feet well when it comes to speaking out, but when I get the keyboard in fron of me, well, let's just say I only got off my laptop because I got frustrated with myself for not saving pgs 332 and 333 in my story, so I lost the last two pages to the abyss. (darnit, it was pretty good stuff, too!) I'm not bragging about my talents of writing, I'm only saying that I'm kinda glad we live 5500km or so apart. (correct me if I'm wrong. GB to the east coast of USA.) I guess that I've shot my mouth off, so I'll stop. You won't believe me anyway.

Writing outlasts all the words in the world, but sometimes the most powerful words can outlast all other methods of communication on the greatest and most potent writing tool of all, the human mind. You're glad you don't have to talk me in person in which case you wouldn't be able to argue as eloquently and fluently as you would if you met me in person. Sorry Topazia, but it'd have to be something truely great that would turn me.

[Topazia]

In actuality, I have just bought a new book today, so I can actually give you written examples outside the Bible.

I have a few questions:

1) What are some of the key elements that strengthen your belief of Evolutionism?

2) What is your take on such symbols as the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haekel's embryos, gills in foetuses, the archaeopteryx controversy, Java Man, ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, Berra's Blunder, Lee Strobel and non-overlapping magisteria?

3) What is Creato Ex Nihilo?

 

[Horatio]

In actuality, I have just bought a new book today, so I can actually give you written examples outside the Bible.

I have a few questions:

1) What are some of the key elements that strengthen your belief of Evolutionism?

2) What is your take on such symbols as the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haekel's embryos, gills in foetuses, the archaeopteryx controversy, Java Man, ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, Berra's Blunder, Lee Strobel and non-overlapping magisteria?

3) What is Creato Ex Nihilo?

 

Would you care to share the book's title and author please?

[Topazia]

In actuality, I have just bought a new book today, so I can actually give you written examples outside the Bible.

I have a few questions:

1) What are some of the key elements that strengthen your belief of Evolutionism?

2) What is your take on such symbols as the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haekel's embryos, gills in foetuses, the archaeopteryx controversy, Java Man, ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, Berra's Blunder, Lee Strobel and non-overlapping magisteria?

3) What is Creato Ex Nihilo?

 

Would you care to share the book's title and author please?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The Case for a Creator

by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and great reporter.

[Horatio]

In actuality, I have just bought a new book today, so I can actually give you written examples outside the Bible.

I have a few questions:

1) What are some of the key elements that strengthen your belief of Evolutionism?

2) What is your take on such symbols as the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haekel's embryos, gills in foetuses, the archaeopteryx controversy, Java Man, ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, Berra's Blunder, Lee Strobel and non-overlapping magisteria?

3) What is Creato Ex Nihilo?

 

Would you care to share the book's title and author please?

The Case for a Creator

by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and great reporter.

Thank you.

[Topazia]

In actuality, I have just bought a new book today, so I can actually give you written examples outside the Bible.

I have a few questions:

1) What are some of the key elements that strengthen your belief of Evolutionism?

2) What is your take on such symbols as the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haekel's embryos, gills in foetuses, the archaeopteryx controversy, Java Man, ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, Berra's Blunder, Lee Strobel and non-overlapping magisteria?

3) What is Creato Ex Nihilo?

 

Would you care to share the book's title and author please?

The Case for a Creator

by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and great reporter.

Thank you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No problem.

[Topazia]

Hey, tghl, It's getting lonely over here! Come back! It's been a while since we talked of this, and I have questions that need answering! I'm trying to be less aggressive and more inquisitive. I find it to be more accepted among young children, so it's only natural that a teenager would accept curiosity and kindness more than accusatory aggression. Am I right?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Hey, tghl, It's getting lonely over here! Come back! It's been a while since we talked of this, and I have questions that need answering! I'm trying to be less aggressive and more inquisitive. I find it to be more accepted among young children, so it's only natural that a teenager would accept curiosity and kindness more than accusatory aggression. Am I right?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What sort of kindness are we talking about here?

Nanny kindness; That's very nice, dearie

Chav kindness; Contradictory in terms

Patronizing kindness; Yes I'm sure your right.

[Topazia]

Hey, tghl, It's getting lonely over here! Come back! It's been a while since we talked of this, and I have questions that need answering! I'm trying to be less aggressive and more inquisitive. I find it to be more accepted among young children, so it's only natural that a teenager would accept curiosity and kindness more than accusatory aggression. Am I right?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What sort of kindness are we talking about here?

Nanny kindness; That's very nice, dearie

Chav kindness; Contradictory in terms

Patronizing kindness; Yes I'm sure your right.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nanny, no. Chav, no. Patronizing, only sometimes.

So answer my questions!

[Topazia]

well.

since TGHL is gone for the week, I can put forth my argument and build up a solid argument.

 

Point A:

Disproving Evolution

Part 1:

The Miller Experiment

Nobody knows for sure what the early atmosphere was like, but the consensus is that the atmosphere was not at all like the one Miller used.

Miller chose a hydrogen-rich mixture of methane, ammonia and water vapor, which was consistent with what many scientists thoughts back then. But scientists don't believe that anymore. As a geophysicist with the Carnegie Institution said in the 1960s, "What is the evidence for a primitive methane-ammonia atmosphere on earth? The answer is that there is no evidence for it, but much against it."

 

By the mid-70s, Belgian biochemist Marcel Florkin was declaring that the concept behind Miller's theory of the early atmosphere "has been abandoned." Two of the leading origin-of-life researchers, Klaus Dose and Sidney Fox, confirmed that Miller has used the wrong gas mixture. And Science magazine said in 1995 that experts now dismiss the Miller experiment because "the early atmosphere looked nothing like the Miller-Urey simulation."

Strobel asks: What's the current thinking of scientists concerning the gas content of the early earth?

The best hypothesis now is that there was very little hydrogen in the atmosphere because it would have escaped into space. Instead, the atmosphere probably consisted of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor. So my gripe is that textbooks still present the Miller experiment as though it reflected the earth's early environment, when most geochemists since the 1960s would say it was totally unlike Miller's.

Strobel asks: What happens if you replay the experiment using an accurate atmosphere?

I'll tell you this: you do not get amino acids, that's for sure. Some textbooks fudge my saying, well, even if you use a realistic atmosphere, you still get organic molecules, as if that solves the problem.

Strobel says: Organic molecules? I'm not a biochemist, but couldn't those be precursors to life?

That's what they sound like, but do you know what they are? Formaldehyde! Cyanide! They may be organic molecules, but in my lab at Berkeley you couldn't even have a capped bottle of formaldehyde in the room, because the stuff is so toxic. You open the bottle and it fries proteins all over the place., just from the fumes. It kills embryos. The idea that using a realistic atmosphere gets you the first step in the origin of life is just laughable.

Now, it's true that a good organic chemist can turn cyanide and formaldehyde into biological molecules. But to suggest that formaldehyde and cyanide give you the right substrate for the origin of life, well, it's just a joke.

Do you know what you get? Embalming fluid!

Take that, Dr. Miller.

Top that, TGHL. If you can. You tell me if you're turned you'll be more avid that the Apostle Paul? I can tell.

 

I can't write a good speech, but I can certainly research the topic at hand. Books-A-Million is a wonderful bookstore chain.

[Topazia]

boo

[The Grim Hamster lord]

well.

since TGHL is gone for the week, I can put forth my argument and build up a solid argument.

 

Point A:

Disproving Evolution

Part 1:

The Miller Experiment

Nobody knows for sure what the early atmosphere was like, but the consensus is that the atmosphere was not at all like the one Miller used.

Miller chose a hydrogen-rich mixture of methane, ammonia and water vapor, which was consistent with what many scientists thoughts back then. But scientists don't believe that anymore. As a geophysicist with the Carnegie Institution said in the 1960s, "What is the evidence for a primitive methane-ammonia atmosphere on earth? The answer is that there is no evidence for it, but much against it."

 

By the mid-70s, Belgian biochemist Marcel Florkin was declaring that the concept behind Miller's theory of the early atmosphere "has been abandoned." Two of the leading origin-of-life researchers, Klaus Dose and Sidney Fox, confirmed that Miller has used the wrong gas mixture. And Science magazine said in 1995 that experts now dismiss the Miller experiment because "the early atmosphere looked nothing like the Miller-Urey simulation."

Strobel asks: What's the current thinking of scientists concerning the gas content of the early earth?

The best hypothesis now is that there was very little hydrogen in the atmosphere because it would have escaped into space. Instead, the atmosphere probably consisted of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor. So my gripe is that textbooks still present the Miller experiment as though it reflected the earth's early environment, when most geochemists since the 1960s would say it was totally unlike Miller's.

Strobel asks: What happens if you replay the experiment using an accurate atmosphere?

I'll tell you this: you do not get amino acids, that's for sure. Some textbooks fudge my saying, well, even if you use a realistic atmosphere, you still get organic molecules, as if that solves the problem.

Strobel says: Organic molecules? I'm not a biochemist, but couldn't those be precursors to life?

That's what they sound like, but do you know what they are? Formaldehyde! Cyanide! They may be organic molecules, but in my lab at Berkeley you couldn't even have a capped bottle of formaldehyde in the room, because the stuff is so toxic. You open the bottle and it fries proteins all over the place., just from the fumes. It kills embryos. The idea that using a realistic atmosphere gets you the first step in the origin of life is just laughable.

Now, it's true that a good organic chemist can turn cyanide and formaldehyde into biological molecules. But to suggest that formaldehyde and cyanide give you the right substrate for the origin of life, well, it's just a joke.

Do you know what you get? Embalming fluid!

Take that, Dr. Miller.

Top that, TGHL. If you can. You tell me if you're turned you'll be more avid that the Apostle Paul? I can tell.

 

I can't write a good speech, but I can certainly research the topic at hand. Books-A-Million is a wonderful bookstore chain.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am confused.

1) Who the dickens is Strobel?

2) Who is the writer? This matters greatly.

3) I can't see why Formaldehyde and cyanide can't give you the right substrate, it would explain why cyanide and formaldehyde are one of the most toxic substances we have.

4) Just because the Miller experiment was wrong doesn't mean evolution is. Just because we haven't worked out the early atomsphere's exact composition doesn't mean evolution never happened.

[Topazia]

I am confused.

1) Who the dickens is Strobel?

2) Who is the writer? This matters greatly.

3) I can't see why Formaldehyde and cyanide can't give you the right substrate, it would explain why cyanide and formaldehyde are one of the most toxic substances we have.

4) Just because the Miller experiment was wrong doesn't mean evolution is. Just because we haven't worked out the early atomsphere's exact composition doesn't mean evolution never happened.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1) Lee Strobel is the writer of the book I am quoting out of. He is a former Athteist and was led to Christ by science, just as he was led to atheism by science. Evolution does exist---in small scale. Macroevolution falls apart when exposed to scrutiny.

2) Lee Strobel

3) If you open a bottle of formaldehyde in a biology lab, it fries proteins all over the place. Just the fumes do! Proteins are vital to life. Haven't you had biology courses yet, my friend? oh, yes, that's right, I've had more schooling than you, so I will always be smarter, by intellect alone., let alone my wise decision to follow Christ. Therefore. Cyanide is poison. Don't you remember that just a little bit of cyanide will kill you? Or that being filled with embalming fluid, which is formaldehyde, will either kill you or preserve you, depending on your status of living?

4) I know. I'm just gettinmg started, friend.

BTW, I'm back in action and back from a retreat, so I'm more fired up than ever! Get ready for the explanation of your life, and possibly eternity! I've got my old buddy Paul, as well as some interesting concepts picked up in Orlando! You want scientific proof, I'll use Strobel. You want peppery talk fired off from a teenage girl, you got her right here. Like my siggy, TGHL? Look closely!

[CoolantKing]

im a proud Christian and i'll have you people know that my hamster, Alpha-Male (Alfie for short) is a proud Chrisitan too, lol.

[Topazia]

im a proud Christian and i'll have you people know that my hamster, Alpha-Male (Alfie for short) is a proud Chrisitan too, lol.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

welcome, my brother! I hope you enjoy your time at HD! The best place to find clouds is the sky.

[Topazia]

Back to what I was saying...

...

actually, no. I tire of quoting another's words, when I can give you my own.

TGHL, ask me to explain how an evolutionist's icon is not truthful, and I will. But for now, heed my words at least a little bit.

 

 

Persecution is at an all time high. Do you know why? Because the Satan-following officials in countries like China and Afghanistan know that faith is the last effective resistance to their diabolical plans. They know that, with this faith we have in the one true God, we can move mountains. So they fight us very hard. They lock us up in dark prison cells for no other reason than the fact that we believe that Jesus Christ is God's only Son. Leaders like Pol Pot know that Christians have more power than them, but they don't understand that this power is only obtained through a relationship with God, a meaningful relationship. If Satan were a bit more wise, he would let the Gospel be spread, because he would recieve less injury. If he were to settle down, the Gospel would have nothing to go on, and it would rust and fade away. Therefore, the best thing that ever happened to my faith is persecution. Keep telling me I'm wrong, friend. I want you to.

 

I'm only sixteen. You are smarter than me. You know more of my belief than me. The odds are greatly stacked against me, and our much appreciated moderator reads every word of what I say. But you see, in our weakest times, God's immense strength shines through. There is nothing you can do to change my mind, and if you somehow do, it will be a most memorable day.

 

So you see, TGHL, and anyne else who reads this forum, a true Christian is not afraid to die or let someone else die for the sake of proclaiming God's name. They are not afraid or ashamed to suffer tortures and persecution for the glory of God. They are open-minded, listening carefully to what their accuser and opposer has to say. They respond to abuse with smiles and love, just as when you step on a flower, it imparts its fragrance. We are only guilty of loving our master more than life itself. We know that each moment we are alive on Earth, we might make a difference, but it's one more day of not being with God. We recieve our torture and abuse and execution with courage and joy, knowing that we will see the Lamb of God soon.

 

Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to remain strong in the midst of it. Christians are known for their immense courage under fire, but we can't take credit for this. Only our love for God and our strong love for the Truth and opposition to lies supplies this courage. When God calls us to do something, He equips us to do it. We don't have to be ordained, we only have to be devoted to Him. This is why I am so adamant about my faith. I can't give you a speech that will convince you. I will be changing over the next few weeks because of some decisions I mae the other night.

 

I can try, but I can't force you. That's where the Crusaders went wrong. They called themselves fundamentalist believers in God, when all they were was a bunch of radicalists. They were no better than the suicide bombers. The difference between those bombers and Christians is the fact that the bombers try to convert people by force. Our efforts are out of love and they are gentle. When we are imprisoned for our beliefs and are tortured, we look at our tormentors and smile at them, loving them despite their cruel and unthinkable acts on our friends and ourselves. We know it doesn't matter, because God still loved them enough to send Jesus to die for their sins.

 

The saving grace that has transformed me from a hypocrite to an honestly devoted Christian is out there, and God has the powe to turn you from a lost lamb to one with the fervor of Paul. I have little doubt in my mind that you have read at least half of the Epistles, but I can type up Romans if you want. Look, I'm not sorry if you are upset that I have told you I love you, because it’s true. In order, I love God, then you (everyone but me), then me. I love God enough to die for anyone, because it would bring glory to God. Including you, and Taynio, and anyone else who may or may not oppose or persecute me, for my beliefs or otherwise. I don't care what race, religion, or lack thereof you claim. I will die for you for the glory of God, and I will gladly suffer for Him. That is what dcTalk calls a JesusFreak. They have cowritten two books with the Voice of the Martyrs, or VOM. I accept the role. It only identifies me as a truly devout follower of Christ and is the easiest way to separate me from the rest.

 

I remember my days of blindness, and I will never return to them. I can only hope my words reach you with all the meaning behind them, as I have honestly taken on the call of spreading the word of the Lord to everyone, especially the Atheistic population of England. It startled me to know that England, one of the few places I thought would be more Christian than America, was largely Atheistic in population. I will try to change that as soon as I graduate high school and attend CFCC for two yrs. Who knows? Maybe I’ll meet you and not even know it. Of course, by the time this happens, TGHL will be eighteen or nineteen, I think…

 

Now that I have spoken, I leave you to decide what to think of my speech.

[InsanitysCaptive]

Hi I am new and I am a Christian to the core.

Rock on, ye old Man in the sky!

 

I♥God wit a vengeance!

(Jest got saved a few months ago)

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Persecution is at an all time high. Do you know why? Because the Satan-following officials in countries like China and Afghanistan know that faith is the last effective resistance to their diabolical plans. They know that, with this faith we have in the one true God, we can move mountains. So they fight us very hard. They lock us up in dark prison cells for no other reason than the fact that we believe that Jesus Christ is God's only Son. Leaders like Pol Pot know that Christians have more power than them, but they don't understand that this power is only obtained through a relationship with God, a meaningful relationship. If Satan were a bit more wise, he would let the Gospel be spread, because he would recieve less injury. If he were to settle down, the Gospel would have nothing to go on, and it would rust and fade away. Therefore, the best thing that ever happened to my faith is persecution. Keep telling me I'm wrong, friend. I want you to.

First thing; China is far from Satan following and nor is Afganistan. China's main religon is Buddhism which is one of the most peaceful and least forecful when it comes to preaching, which they generally don't do. I think what you meant to say was the dictatorships in the Lower Asia to Middle East ban and lock away Christians because they are either a) an Islamic state where most Christians get lynched by mobs or only exist in sets of 1 per 1,000,000 or Communist and see Christianity as the religon of the west and the enemy. Topazia, Christ cannot overthrow the religons already long established in those regions. Do you know why missionaries get thrown away? Because most of them are firey hotheads who get up on a platform and rather than saying why Christianity is such a good choice they say why the religon they have is such a bad one. Then the lynch mob gets them.

I would argue that when it comes down to it, having to choose between with a mad man with a huge army and a couple of tank barrels pointed at their head and someone they've never seen, heard from or seen any evidence of and they have to choose the most powerful, they'd choose the mad dictator with a 'tasche.

I'm only sixteen. You are smarter than me. You know more of my belief than me. The odds are greatly stacked against me, and our much appreciated moderator reads every word of what I say. But you see, in our weakest times, God's immense strength shines through. There is nothing you can do to change my mind, and if you somehow do, it will be a most memorable day.

Age has nothing to do with it, whether you are young enough to talk or on death's door your opinion is as valid as anyone else's whether it is as well informed or not is different. A child of 5 can be more intelligent than a teenager of 15. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, all I can say is that if that's true I'll keep a Christian next time I go on a dangerous mission into a dark mine, because I'm sure that all the shining provides a very good light source without any energy costs.

So you see, TGHL, and anyne else who reads this forum, a true Christian is not afraid to die or let someone else die for the sake of proclaiming God's name. They are not afraid or ashamed to suffer tortures and persecution for the glory of God. They are open-minded, listening carefully to what their accuser and opposer has to say. They respond to abuse with smiles and love, just as when you step on a flower, it imparts its fragrance. We are only guilty of loving our master more than life itself. We know that each moment we are alive on Earth, we might make a difference, but it's one more day of not being with God. We recieve our torture and abuse and execution with courage and joy, knowing that we will see the Lamb of God soon.

 

Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to remain strong in the midst of it. Christians are known for their immense courage under fire, but we can't take credit for this. Only our love for God and our strong love for the Truth and opposition to lies supplies this courage. When God calls us to do something, He equips us to do it. We don't have to be ordained, we only have to be devoted to Him. This is why I am so adamant about my faith. I can't give you a speech that will convince you. I will be changing over the next few weeks because of some decisions I mae the other night.

That sounds very nice, but that means Christianity is a minority then because everything breaks down in the face of the Ultimate End (i.e. Death) and only a handful wouldn't rennounce their religon if given a choice between renounncing their religon and death. Anyway, a couple more things. You know something? People who see clearly enough can sometimes see that Courage and Bravery are both just a refined version of stupidity. And also, people say that cowards always end up losing, that's only one point of view, the other one is that while the Heros die, the cowards carry on living so ultimately, who wins? The dead Heros or the ones who come back and get the glory? I love the philosophy of Catch-22.

I can try, but I can't force you. That's where the Crusaders went wrong. They called themselves fundamentalist believers in God, when all they were was a bunch of radicalists. They were no better than the suicide bombers. The difference between those bombers and Christians is the fact that the bombers try to convert people by force. Our efforts are out of love and they are gentle. When we are imprisoned for our beliefs and are tortured, we look at our tormentors and smile at them, loving them despite their cruel and unthinkable acts on our friends and ourselves. We know it doesn't matter, because God still loved them enough to send Jesus to die for their sins.

Christians then were so much more... stronger in their belief in God, they went a step further than you Topazia, they went over the stage of not fearing death because God exists, they then went out seeking death in the name of their God. Christians today are so meek, so dulll and uninteresting. None of them have any passion, any zeal or anything else along those lines. There is no point in believing in something if you don't believe it passionatly.

The saving grace that has transformed me from a hypocrite to an honestly devoted Christian is out there, and God has the powe to turn you from a lost lamb to one with the fervor of Paul. I have little doubt in my mind that you have read at least half of the Epistles, but I can type up Romans if you want. Look, I'm not sorry if you are upset that I have told you I love you, because it’s true. In order, I love God, then you (everyone but me), then me. I love God enough to die for anyone, because it would bring glory to God. Including you, and Taynio, and anyone else who may or may not oppose or persecute me, for my beliefs or otherwise. I don't care what race, religion, or lack thereof you claim. I will die for you for the glory of God, and I will gladly suffer for Him. That is what dcTalk calls a JesusFreak. They have cowritten two books with the Voice of the Martyrs, or VOM. I accept the role. It only identifies me as a truly devout follower of Christ and is the easiest way to separate me from the rest.

I would prefer to say you changed from a normal human being who just focused on the here and now situation while writing brilliant poetry to a normal human being who worships an ancient hipocricy that just wants to excerise power over people while writing brilliant poetry. Then let God do so if he really seeks to turn the one lost lamb back to the flock. Then you would die for the wrong reasons Topazia. God doesn't want people to live for as long as they can, he wants them to live in the way he wants. And myself? WHo would I die for? I would prefer not to die, but if it means saving one life to an infinite number of lives and no one else would do it, I'd step forward because otherwise you die with everyone else and the worst thing is, no one will remember you.

I remember my days of blindness, and I will never return to them. I can only hope my words reach you with all the meaning behind them, as I have honestly taken on the call of spreading the word of the Lord to everyone, especially the Atheistic population of England. It startled me to know that England, one of the few places I thought would be more Christian than America, was largely Atheistic in population. I will try to change that as soon as I graduate high school and attend CFCC for two yrs. Who knows? Maybe I’ll meet you and not even know it. Of course, by the time this happens, TGHL will be eighteen or nineteen, I think…

Agnostic. Britain is agnostic with tendancies towards Aethism. CFCC.... Christ's Followers Community College? I shall watch out for you Topazia.

Now that I have spoken, I leave you to decide what to think of my speech.

See above.

[Mega Wolf]

Here's something for ya.

 

Why is it that Jesus is said to be God's only son, and yet it is also said that we are all God's children?

[InsanitysCaptive]

Persecution is at an all time high. Do you know why? Because the Satan-following officials in countries like China and Afghanistan know that faith is the last effective resistance to their diabolical plans. They know that, with this faith we have in the one true God, we can move mountains. So they fight us very hard. They lock us up in dark prison cells for no other reason than the fact that we believe that Jesus Christ is God's only Son. Leaders like Pol Pot know that Christians have more power than them, but they don't understand that this power is only obtained through a relationship with God, a meaningful relationship. If Satan were a bit more wise, he would let the Gospel be spread, because he would recieve less injury. If he were to settle down, the Gospel would have nothing to go on, and it would rust and fade away. Therefore, the best thing that ever happened to my faith is persecution. Keep telling me I'm wrong, friend. I want you to.

First thing; China is far from Satan following and nor is Afganistan. China's main religon is Buddhism which is one of the most peaceful and least forecful when it comes to preaching, which they generally don't do. I think what you meant to say was the dictatorships in the Lower Asia to Middle East ban and lock away Christians because they are either a) an Islamic state where most Christians get lynched by mobs or only exist in sets of 1 per 1,000,000 or Communist and see Christianity as the religon of the west and the enemy. Topazia, Christ cannot overthrow the religons already long established in those regions. Do you know why missionaries get thrown away? Because most of them are firey hotheads who get up on a platform and rather than saying why Christianity is such a good choice they say why the religon they have is such a bad one. Then the lynch mob gets them.

I would argue that when it comes down to it, having to choose between with a mad man with a huge army and a couple of tank barrels pointed at their head and someone they've never seen, heard from or seen any evidence of and they have to choose the most powerful, they'd choose the mad dictator with a 'tasche.

I'm only sixteen. You are smarter than me. You know more of my belief than me. The odds are greatly stacked against me, and our much appreciated moderator reads every word of what I say. But you see, in our weakest times, God's immense strength shines through. There is nothing you can do to change my mind, and if you somehow do, it will be a most memorable day.

Age has nothing to do with it, whether you are young enough to talk or on death's door your opinion is as valid as anyone else's whether it is as well informed or not is different. A child of 5 can be more intelligent than a teenager of 15. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, all I can say is that if that's true I'll keep a Christian next time I go on a dangerous mission into a dark mine, because I'm sure that all the shining provides a very good light source without any energy costs.

So you see, TGHL, and anyne else who reads this forum, a true Christian is not afraid to die or let someone else die for the sake of proclaiming God's name. They are not afraid or ashamed to suffer tortures and persecution for the glory of God. They are open-minded, listening carefully to what their accuser and opposer has to say. They respond to abuse with smiles and love, just as when you step on a flower, it imparts its fragrance. We are only guilty of loving our master more than life itself. We know that each moment we are alive on Earth, we might make a difference, but it's one more day of not being with God. We recieve our torture and abuse and execution with courage and joy, knowing that we will see the Lamb of God soon.

 

Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to remain strong in the midst of it. Christians are known for their immense courage under fire, but we can't take credit for this. Only our love for God and our strong love for the Truth and opposition to lies supplies this courage. When God calls us to do something, He equips us to do it. We don't have to be ordained, we only have to be devoted to Him. This is why I am so adamant about my faith. I can't give you a speech that will convince you. I will be changing over the next few weeks because of some decisions I mae the other night.

That sounds very nice, but that means Christianity is a minority then because everything breaks down in the face of the Ultimate End (i.e. Death) and only a handful wouldn't rennounce their religon if given a choice between renounncing their religon and death. Anyway, a couple more things. You know something? People who see clearly enough can sometimes see that Courage and Bravery are both just a refined version of stupidity. And also, people say that cowards always end up losing, that's only one point of view, the other one is that while the Heros die, the cowards carry on living so ultimately, who wins? The dead Heros or the ones who come back and get the glory? I love the philosophy of Catch-22.

I can try, but I can't force you. That's where the Crusaders went wrong. They called themselves fundamentalist believers in God, when all they were was a bunch of radicalists. They were no better than the suicide bombers. The difference between those bombers and Christians is the fact that the bombers try to convert people by force. Our efforts are out of love and they are gentle. When we are imprisoned for our beliefs and are tortured, we look at our tormentors and smile at them, loving them despite their cruel and unthinkable acts on our friends and ourselves. We know it doesn't matter, because God still loved them enough to send Jesus to die for their sins.

Christians then were so much more... stronger in their belief in God, they went a step further than you Topazia, they went over the stage of not fearing death because God exists, they then went out seeking death in the name of their God. Christians today are so meek, so dulll and uninteresting. None of them have any passion, any zeal or anything else along those lines. There is no point in believing in something if you don't believe it passionatly.

The saving grace that has transformed me from a hypocrite to an honestly devoted Christian is out there, and God has the powe to turn you from a lost lamb to one with the fervor of Paul. I have little doubt in my mind that you have read at least half of the Epistles, but I can type up Romans if you want. Look, I'm not sorry if you are upset that I have told you I love you, because it’s true. In order, I love God, then you (everyone but me), then me. I love God enough to die for anyone, because it would bring glory to God. Including you, and Taynio, and anyone else who may or may not oppose or persecute me, for my beliefs or otherwise. I don't care what race, religion, or lack thereof you claim. I will die for you for the glory of God, and I will gladly suffer for Him. That is what dcTalk calls a JesusFreak. They have cowritten two books with the Voice of the Martyrs, or VOM. I accept the role. It only identifies me as a truly devout follower of Christ and is the easiest way to separate me from the rest.

I would prefer to say you changed from a normal human being who just focused on the here and now situation while writing brilliant poetry to a normal human being who worships an ancient hipocricy that just wants to excerise power over people while writing brilliant poetry. Then let God do so if he really seeks to turn the one lost lamb back to the flock. Then you would die for the wrong reasons Topazia. God doesn't want people to live for as long as they can, he wants them to live in the way he wants. And myself? WHo would I die for? I would prefer not to die, but if it means saving one life to an infinite number of lives and no one else would do it, I'd step forward because otherwise you die with everyone else and the worst thing is, no one will remember you.

I remember my days of blindness, and I will never return to them. I can only hope my words reach you with all the meaning behind them, as I have honestly taken on the call of spreading the word of the Lord to everyone, especially the Atheistic population of England. It startled me to know that England, one of the few places I thought would be more Christian than America, was largely Atheistic in population. I will try to change that as soon as I graduate high school and attend CFCC for two yrs. Who knows? Maybe I’ll meet you and not even know it. Of course, by the time this happens, TGHL will be eighteen or nineteen, I think…

Agnostic. Britain is agnostic with tendancies towards Aethism. CFCC.... Christ's Followers Community College? I shall watch out for you Topazia.

Now that I have spoken, I leave you to decide what to think of my speech.

See above.

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I side with her.

[Topazia]

First thing; China is far from Satan following and nor is Afganistan. China's main religon is Buddhism which is one of the most peaceful and least forecful when it comes to preaching, which they generally don't do. I think what you meant to say was the dictatorships in the Lower Asia to Middle East ban and lock away Christians because they are either a) an Islamic state where most Christians get lynched by mobs or only exist in sets of 1 per 1,000,000 or Communist and see Christianity as the religon of the west and the enemy. Topazia, Christ cannot overthrow the religons already long established in those regions. Do you know why missionaries get thrown away? Because most of them are firey hotheads who get up on a platform and rather than saying why Christianity is such a good choice they say why the religon they have is such a bad one. Then the lynch mob gets them.

I would argue that when it comes down to it, having to choose between with a mad man with a huge army and a couple of tank barrels pointed at their head and someone they've never seen, heard from or seen any evidence of and they have to choose the most powerful, they'd choose the mad dictator with a 'tasche.

First thing: you're wrong on that. China is Communist. Afghanistan is Muslim. We are persecuted there because they recognize a force to be reckoned with in our powerful faith. You know I'm special that way!

Age has nothing to do with it, whether you are young enough to talk or on death's door your opinion is as valid as anyone else's whether it is as well informed or not is different. A child of 5 can be more intelligent than a teenager of 15. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, all I can say is that if that's true I'll keep a Christian next time I go on a dangerous mission into a dark mine, because I'm sure that all the shining provides a very good light source without any energy costs.

Maybe so, but I never expected a 15 yr old to be more educated than I am.

Gee, buddy, that's very sarcastic of you. Look, just because we can see through the dark and you can't doesn't mean----- nvm. No offense taken.

That sounds very nice, but that means Christianity is a minority then because everything breaks down in the face of the Ultimate End (i.e. Death) and only a handful wouldn't rennounce their religon if given a choice between renounncing their religon and death. Anyway, a couple more things. You know something? People who see clearly enough can sometimes see that Courage and Bravery are both just a refined version of stupidity. And also, people say that cowards always end up losing, that's only one point of view, the other one is that while the Heros die, the cowards carry on living so ultimately, who wins? The dead Heros or the ones who come back and get the glory? I love the philosophy of Catch-22.

Oh, you poor blind soul... This only increases my resolve. If that handful is the truth, then I'm a part of that handful. You know something else? Cowardly "Christians" who recant lose their souls, not their lives. I despise cowards, and I think it's very noble and good to have courage. Bravery is unimportant. Courage rings all. Catch-22 is a load of B.S. It's a military term, anyway!

Christians then were so much more... stronger in their belief in God, they went a step further than you Topazia, they went over the stage of not fearing death because God exists, they then went out seeking death in the name of their God. Christians today are so meek, so dulll and uninteresting. None of them have any passion, any zeal or anything else along those lines. There is no point in believing in something if you don't believe it passionatly.

I would seek death... if Christianity was not fashionable in America. Believe me, it is so hard to have my beliefs in this country, even though they still say under God in the pledge! We are meek because we don't know what else to do! I'm stuck in school eight hours a day, and then I'm at swim practice right after, then I go to church one night of the week, and the rest I'm at home doing hw! At school, we are forbidden to say prayers aloud or preach any one religion, so I can't exactly witness to the local Juggalo groups, which are extremely large! I have passion and zeal, but no way to get out and make a change for God's glory!

I would prefer to say you changed from a normal human being who just focused on the here and now situation while writing brilliant poetry to a normal human being who worships an ancient hipocricy that just wants to excerise power over people while writing brilliant poetry. Then let God do so if he really seeks to turn the one lost lamb back to the flock. Then you would die for the wrong reasons Topazia. God doesn't want people to live for as long as they can, he wants them to live in the way he wants. And myself? WHo would I die for? I would prefer not to die, but if it means saving one life to an infinite number of lives and no one else would do it, I'd step forward because otherwise you die with everyone else and the worst thing is, no one will remember you.

I am not a normal human being. Thank you for the compliment, though. Rob would like it if I would let him read it, but I mixed personal poems in with the good stuff, so I can't. It isn't hypocrisy. You want hypocrisy? Look who's talking! You were confronted with the Truth almost daily, and yet you denied the name of the Lord in a concsious decision! That's hypocrisy! I can't die for the wrong reasons. My conscience won't let me. Two years ago I would have, but now I can't! God wants us to live under his protective wing, and that doesn't always mean they live to be 120. That does happen, BION, but your brother died young, didn't he? It was his time to go, and God deemed it he would die in that way. If I die young, which I personally don't want to, but if God deems it so, so be it, then I know I will go to heaven and praise His name for all of eternity, while if you die young, you will rot and burn in the eternal lake of fire! I don't want that to happen! You're my friend, and I luvya like God luvsya! It would be a tragedy if you died without the saving grace of God in your heart! Nay, a travesty! I don't care if no one remembers me. If it is for the glory of God, I'll do anything.

Agnostic. Britain is agnostic with tendancies towards Aethism. CFCC.... Christ's Followers Community College? I shall watch out for you Topazia.

Agnostic, Atheist, same theology behind it. and no, unfortunately, it's Central Florida Community College. I wish it were Christian, but then again, I can't wait to feel the friction against my science teacher! (I'm majoring in liberal arts.) Yes, please do watch out for me, because then you can see the wonders God has worked in my life! You'll know me if you hear of me. I'm thinking of starting in Northern Britain and working my way down. I hope we meet someday. You sound like a fun person, just sorely misled.

 

Here's something for ya.

 

Why is it that Jesus is said to be God's only son, and yet it is also said that we are all God's children?

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It's adoption. Consider that.

 

Jesus is God's only begotten Son, while we are His children through Jesus Christs's death and ressurection. It's pretty cool, once you get into it.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Persecution is at an all time high. Do you know why? Because the Satan-following officials in countries like China and Afghanistan know that faith is the last effective resistance to their diabolical plans. They know that, with this faith we have in the one true God, we can move mountains. So they fight us very hard. They lock us up in dark prison cells for no other reason than the fact that we believe that Jesus Christ is God's only Son. Leaders like Pol Pot know that Christians have more power than them, but they don't understand that this power is only obtained through a relationship with God, a meaningful relationship. If Satan were a bit more wise, he would let the Gospel be spread, because he would recieve less injury. If he were to settle down, the Gospel would have nothing to go on, and it would rust and fade away. Therefore, the best thing that ever happened to my faith is persecution. Keep telling me I'm wrong, friend. I want you to.

First thing; China is far from Satan following and nor is Afganistan. China's main religon is Buddhism which is one of the most peaceful and least forecful when it comes to preaching, which they generally don't do. I think what you meant to say was the dictatorships in the Lower Asia to Middle East ban and lock away Christians because they are either a) an Islamic state where most Christians get lynched by mobs or only exist in sets of 1 per 1,000,000 or Communist and see Christianity as the religon of the west and the enemy. Topazia, Christ cannot overthrow the religons already long established in those regions. Do you know why missionaries get thrown away? Because most of them are firey hotheads who get up on a platform and rather than saying why Christianity is such a good choice they say why the religon they have is such a bad one. Then the lynch mob gets them.

I would argue that when it comes down to it, having to choose between with a mad man with a huge army and a couple of tank barrels pointed at their head and someone they've never seen, heard from or seen any evidence of and they have to choose the most powerful, they'd choose the mad dictator with a 'tasche.

I'm only sixteen. You are smarter than me. You know more of my belief than me. The odds are greatly stacked against me, and our much appreciated moderator reads every word of what I say. But you see, in our weakest times, God's immense strength shines through. There is nothing you can do to change my mind, and if you somehow do, it will be a most memorable day.

Age has nothing to do with it, whether you are young enough to talk or on death's door your opinion is as valid as anyone else's whether it is as well informed or not is different. A child of 5 can be more intelligent than a teenager of 15. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, all I can say is that if that's true I'll keep a Christian next time I go on a dangerous mission into a dark mine, because I'm sure that all the shining provides a very good light source without any energy costs.

So you see, TGHL, and anyne else who reads this forum, a true Christian is not afraid to die or let someone else die for the sake of proclaiming God's name. They are not afraid or ashamed to suffer tortures and persecution for the glory of God. They are open-minded, listening carefully to what their accuser and opposer has to say. They respond to abuse with smiles and love, just as when you step on a flower, it imparts its fragrance. We are only guilty of loving our master more than life itself. We know that each moment we are alive on Earth, we might make a difference, but it's one more day of not being with God. We recieve our torture and abuse and execution with courage and joy, knowing that we will see the Lamb of God soon.

 

Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to remain strong in the midst of it. Christians are known for their immense courage under fire, but we can't take credit for this. Only our love for God and our strong love for the Truth and opposition to lies supplies this courage. When God calls us to do something, He equips us to do it. We don't have to be ordained, we only have to be devoted to Him. This is why I am so adamant about my faith. I can't give you a speech that will convince you. I will be changing over the next few weeks because of some decisions I mae the other night.

That sounds very nice, but that means Christianity is a minority then because everything breaks down in the face of the Ultimate End (i.e. Death) and only a handful wouldn't rennounce their religon if given a choice between renounncing their religon and death. Anyway, a couple more things. You know something? People who see clearly enough can sometimes see that Courage and Bravery are both just a refined version of stupidity. And also, people say that cowards always end up losing, that's only one point of view, the other one is that while the Heros die, the cowards carry on living so ultimately, who wins? The dead Heros or the ones who come back and get the glory? I love the philosophy of Catch-22.

I can try, but I can't force you. That's where the Crusaders went wrong. They called themselves fundamentalist believers in God, when all they were was a bunch of radicalists. They were no better than the suicide bombers. The difference between those bombers and Christians is the fact that the bombers try to convert people by force. Our efforts are out of love and they are gentle. When we are imprisoned for our beliefs and are tortured, we look at our tormentors and smile at them, loving them despite their cruel and unthinkable acts on our friends and ourselves. We know it doesn't matter, because God still loved them enough to send Jesus to die for their sins.

Christians then were so much more... stronger in their belief in God, they went a step further than you Topazia, they went over the stage of not fearing death because God exists, they then went out seeking death in the name of their God. Christians today are so meek, so dulll and uninteresting. None of them have any passion, any zeal or anything else along those lines. There is no point in believing in something if you don't believe it passionatly.

The saving grace that has transformed me from a hypocrite to an honestly devoted Christian is out there, and God has the powe to turn you from a lost lamb to one with the fervor of Paul. I have little doubt in my mind that you have read at least half of the Epistles, but I can type up Romans if you want. Look, I'm not sorry if you are upset that I have told you I love you, because it’s true. In order, I love God, then you (everyone but me), then me. I love God enough to die for anyone, because it would bring glory to God. Including you, and Taynio, and anyone else who may or may not oppose or persecute me, for my beliefs or otherwise. I don't care what race, religion, or lack thereof you claim. I will die for you for the glory of God, and I will gladly suffer for Him. That is what dcTalk calls a JesusFreak. They have cowritten two books with the Voice of the Martyrs, or VOM. I accept the role. It only identifies me as a truly devout follower of Christ and is the easiest way to separate me from the rest.

I would prefer to say you changed from a normal human being who just focused on the here and now situation while writing brilliant poetry to a normal human being who worships an ancient hipocricy that just wants to excerise power over people while writing brilliant poetry. Then let God do so if he really seeks to turn the one lost lamb back to the flock. Then you would die for the wrong reasons Topazia. God doesn't want people to live for as long as they can, he wants them to live in the way he wants. And myself? WHo would I die for? I would prefer not to die, but if it means saving one life to an infinite number of lives and no one else would do it, I'd step forward because otherwise you die with everyone else and the worst thing is, no one will remember you.

I remember my days of blindness, and I will never return to them. I can only hope my words reach you with all the meaning behind them, as I have honestly taken on the call of spreading the word of the Lord to everyone, especially the Atheistic population of England. It startled me to know that England, one of the few places I thought would be more Christian than America, was largely Atheistic in population. I will try to change that as soon as I graduate high school and attend CFCC for two yrs. Who knows? Maybe I’ll meet you and not even know it. Of course, by the time this happens, TGHL will be eighteen or nineteen, I think…

Agnostic. Britain is agnostic with tendancies towards Aethism. CFCC.... Christ's Followers Community College? I shall watch out for you Topazia.

Now that I have spoken, I leave you to decide what to think of my speech.

See above.

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I side with her.

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What a highly intelligent and altogether well informed answer.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

First thing: you're wrong on that. China is Communist. Afghanistan is Muslim. We are persecuted there because they recognize a force to be reckoned with in our powerful faith. You know I'm special that way!

I know CHina is COmmunist, but its religon is Buddhism and I knew Afghanistan is Muslim because it is one of the Eastern most states that the terrorists want to incorporate into their Islamic superstate.

Maybe so, but I never expected a 15 yr old to be more educated than I am.

Gee, buddy, that's very sarcastic of you. Look, just because we can see through the dark and you can't doesn't mean----- nvm. No offense taken.

Cynical, not sarcastic

Oh, you poor blind soul... This only increases my resolve. If that handful is the truth, then I'm a part of that handful. You know something else? Cowardly "Christians" who recant lose their souls, not their lives. I despise cowards, and I think it's very noble and good to have courage. Bravery is unimportant. Courage rings all. Catch-22 is a load of B.S. It's a military term, anyway!

Poor, blind, accurate soul. Eternity doesn't last forever and on Judgement day, you can at least make sure you can whack God in the face. I prefer cowardice over decomposing. Noble, good and dead is not a good mix. Courage and Bravery are still both advanced stupidity. I was refering to the book. And Catch 22 is very good anyway. No way round it. You can only be grounded if your crazy and you're only crazy if you don't want to be Grounded.

I would seek death... if Christianity was not fashionable in America. Believe me, it is so hard to have my beliefs in this country, even though they still say under God in the pledge! We are meek because we don't know what else to do! I'm stuck in school eight hours a day, and then I'm at swim practice right after, then I go to church one night of the week, and the rest I'm at home doing hw! At school, we are forbidden to say prayers aloud or preach any one religion, so I can't exactly witness to the local Juggalo groups, which are extremely large! I have passion and zeal, but no way to get out and make a change for God's glory!

It isn't popular?!? America is one of the few 1st world countries left to be largely Christian, look at how Abortion and homosexsuality are always cracked down upon. It may just be the state of Florida (visit next year I may), not the whole of America. The Mid-west is defintely strongly Christian though, it is famous for it.

I am not a normal human being. Thank you for the compliment, though. Rob would like it if I would let him read it, but I mixed personal poems in with the good stuff, so I can't. It isn't hypocrisy. You want hypocrisy? Look who's talking! You were confronted with the Truth almost daily, and yet you denied the name of the Lord in a concsious decision! That's hypocrisy! I can't die for the wrong reasons. My conscience won't let me. Two years ago I would have, but now I can't! God wants us to live under his protective wing, and that doesn't always mean they live to be 120. That does happen, BION, but your brother died young, didn't he? It was his time to go, and God deemed it he would die in that way. If I die young, which I personally don't want to, but if God deems it so, so be it, then I know I will go to heaven and praise His name for all of eternity, while if you die young, you will rot and burn in the eternal lake of fire! I don't want that to happen! You're my friend, and I luvya like God luvsya! It would be a tragedy if you died without the saving grace of God in your heart! Nay, a travesty! I don't care if no one remembers me. If it is for the glory of God, I'll do anything.

CHristianity is an entire hypocrisy. Your almighty lord says that you must have free will and decide for yourself, he then goes onto dictating how you should lead your life and threatning with smiting and #### if you don't agree with him. He says that He is forgiving and loving and then decides to engage in blowing up continents, flooding the world and general mass destruction. I am confronted with everyone else's opinion, not the truth, everything changes so quick that it is impossible to get the current truth only the truth that existed a couple of moments ago. With each new second the world changes, the universe changes so much that it is no longer the same universe it was a moment ago with each new decision the universe changes and if your consider how many infinite numbers of things that change the course of the universe per second, then it is near impossible to get any definite hold on what the universe is like.

He died from a birth defect, I have lost friends thanks to the war in Iraq, I have seen a friend broken by Iraq. I am about to have a cousin go into the army and potentially will loose him too. Death is not controlled by your lord, it is controlled by chance and other human beings. It is not your non-existant master that decides whether people live or die, it is other humans. For example, I could go psychotic right now and kill everyone I meet, I could, don't particuarly want to, but I could. It is choice that changes the world, not God.

You never die if people remember you.

Agnostic, Atheist, same theology behind it. and no, unfortunately, it's Central Florida Community College. I wish it were Christian, but then again, I can't wait to feel the friction against my science teacher! (I'm majoring in liberal arts.) Yes, please do watch out for me, because then you can see the wonders God has worked in my life! You'll know me if you hear of me. I'm thinking of starting in Northern Britain and working my way down. I hope we meet someday. You sound like a fun person, just sorely misled.

Agnosticism is having doubt about God's existance, unsure about whether he exists or not having made your mind up about Him yet. Aethiesm is the outright belief that God does not exist.

Enjoy yourself then because I suspect the North will proove to be a very difficult challenge considering how practical people are and don't really bother with "spiritual" matters. I should know, I am a northerner.

It's adoption. Consider that.

 

Jesus is God's only begotten Son, while we are His children through Jesus Christs's death and ressurection. It's pretty cool, once you get into it.

But surely since God was not married to Mary that means he was commiting adultery/####.

[InsanitysCaptive]

First thing; China is far from Satan following and nor is Afganistan. China's main religon is Buddhism which is one of the most peaceful and least forecful when it comes to preaching, which they generally don't do. I think what you meant to say was the dictatorships in the Lower Asia to Middle East ban and lock away Christians because they are either a) an Islamic state where most Christians get lynched by mobs or only exist in sets of 1 per 1,000,000 or Communist and see Christianity as the religon of the west and the enemy. Topazia, Christ cannot overthrow the religons already long established in those regions. Do you know why missionaries get thrown away? Because most of them are firey hotheads who get up on a platform and rather than saying why Christianity is such a good choice they say why the religon they have is such a bad one. Then the lynch mob gets them.

I would argue that when it comes down to it, having to choose between with a mad man with a huge army and a couple of tank barrels pointed at their head and someone they've never seen, heard from or seen any evidence of and they have to choose the most powerful, they'd choose the mad dictator with a 'tasche.

First thing: you're wrong on that. China is Communist. Afghanistan is Muslim. We are persecuted there because they recognize a force to be reckoned with in our powerful faith. You know I'm special that way!

Age has nothing to do with it, whether you are young enough to talk or on death's door your opinion is as valid as anyone else's whether it is as well informed or not is different. A child of 5 can be more intelligent than a teenager of 15. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, all I can say is that if that's true I'll keep a Christian next time I go on a dangerous mission into a dark mine, because I'm sure that all the shining provides a very good light source without any energy costs.

Maybe so, but I never expected a 15 yr old to be more educated than I am.

Gee, buddy, that's very sarcastic of you. Look, just because we can see through the dark and you can't doesn't mean----- nvm. No offense taken.

That sounds very nice, but that means Christianity is a minority then because everything breaks down in the face of the Ultimate End (i.e. Death) and only a handful wouldn't rennounce their religon if given a choice between renounncing their religon and death. Anyway, a couple more things. You know something? People who see clearly enough can sometimes see that Courage and Bravery are both just a refined version of stupidity. And also, people say that cowards always end up losing, that's only one point of view, the other one is that while the Heros die, the cowards carry on living so ultimately, who wins? The dead Heros or the ones who come back and get the glory? I love the philosophy of Catch-22.

Oh, you poor blind soul... This only increases my resolve. If that handful is the truth, then I'm a part of that handful. You know something else? Cowardly "Christians" who recant lose their souls, not their lives. I despise cowards, and I think it's very noble and good to have courage. Bravery is unimportant. Courage rings all. Catch-22 is a load of B.S. It's a military term, anyway!

Christians then were so much more... stronger in their belief in God, they went a step further than you Topazia, they went over the stage of not fearing death because God exists, they then went out seeking death in the name of their God. Christians today are so meek, so dulll and uninteresting. None of them have any passion, any zeal or anything else along those lines. There is no point in believing in something if you don't believe it passionatly.

I would seek death... if Christianity was not fashionable in America. Believe me, it is so hard to have my beliefs in this country, even though they still say under God in the pledge! We are meek because we don't know what else to do! I'm stuck in school eight hours a day, and then I'm at swim practice right after, then I go to church one night of the week, and the rest I'm at home doing hw! At school, we are forbidden to say prayers aloud or preach any one religion, so I can't exactly witness to the local Juggalo groups, which are extremely large! I have passion and zeal, but no way to get out and make a change for God's glory!

I would prefer to say you changed from a normal human being who just focused on the here and now situation while writing brilliant poetry to a normal human being who worships an ancient hipocricy that just wants to excerise power over people while writing brilliant poetry. Then let God do so if he really seeks to turn the one lost lamb back to the flock. Then you would die for the wrong reasons Topazia. God doesn't want people to live for as long as they can, he wants them to live in the way he wants. And myself? WHo would I die for? I would prefer not to die, but if it means saving one life to an infinite number of lives and no one else would do it, I'd step forward because otherwise you die with everyone else and the worst thing is, no one will remember you.

I am not a normal human being. Thank you for the compliment, though. Rob would like it if I would let him read it, but I mixed personal poems in with the good stuff, so I can't. It isn't hypocrisy. You want hypocrisy? Look who's talking! You were confronted with the Truth almost daily, and yet you denied the name of the Lord in a concsious decision! That's hypocrisy! I can't die for the wrong reasons. My conscience won't let me. Two years ago I would have, but now I can't! God wants us to live under his protective wing, and that doesn't always mean they live to be 120. That does happen, BION, but your brother died young, didn't he? It was his time to go, and God deemed it he would die in that way. If I die young, which I personally don't want to, but if God deems it so, so be it, then I know I will go to heaven and praise His name for all of eternity, while if you die young, you will rot and burn in the eternal lake of fire! I don't want that to happen! You're my friend, and I luvya like God luvsya! It would be a tragedy if you died without the saving grace of God in your heart! Nay, a travesty! I don't care if no one remembers me. If it is for the glory of God, I'll do anything.

Agnostic. Britain is agnostic with tendancies towards Aethism. CFCC.... Christ's Followers Community College? I shall watch out for you Topazia.

Agnostic, Atheist, same theology behind it. and no, unfortunately, it's Central Florida Community College. I wish it were Christian, but then again, I can't wait to feel the friction against my science teacher! (I'm majoring in liberal arts.) Yes, please do watch out for me, because then you can see the wonders God has worked in my life! You'll know me if you hear of me. I'm thinking of starting in Northern Britain and working my way down. I hope we meet someday. You sound like a fun person, just sorely misled.

 

Here's something for ya.

 

Why is it that Jesus is said to be God's only son, and yet it is also said that we are all God's children?

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It's adoption. Consider that.

 

Jesus is God's only begotten Son, while we are His children through Jesus Christs's death and ressurection. It's pretty cool, once you get into it.

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Interesting concept. Topazia, I didn't know you were this faithful. It's no wonder we get along.

[Topazia]

I know CHina is COmmunist' date=' but its religon is Buddhism and I knew Afghanistan is Muslim because it is one of the Eastern most states that the terrorists want to incorporate into their Islamic superstate.

[/quote']I'm so proud of you. you know your geography. Communism is the largest and fastest-growing pseudoreligion since atheism.

Cynical' date=' not sarcastic

[/quote']

Woopee, it's the same thing!

Poor' date=' blind, accurate soul. Eternity doesn't last forever and on Judgement day, you can at least make sure you can whack God in the face. I prefer cowardice over decomposing. Noble, good and dead is not a good mix. Courage and Bravery are still both advanced stupidity. I was refering to the book. And Catch 22 is very good anyway. No way round it. You can only be grounded if your crazy and you're only crazy if you don't want to be Grounded.

[/quote']

Nope. Inaccurate. Noble, good, and dead is only a good mix if youre dying for a really good thing, like the glory of God. Okay, TGHL, I'll let your soul decay while your alive and I'll let mine flourish in this deadened world, and we'll see who gets the goods in the end! In this case, I'm not crazy, I'm stark raving undignified before the Lord! Usually, people call me crazy, though. I wonder why...

It isn't popular?!? America is one of the few 1st world countries left to be largely Christian' date=' look at how Abortion and homosexsuality are always cracked down upon. It may just be the state of Florida (visit next year I may), not the whole of America. The Mid-west is defintely strongly Christian though, it is famous for it.

[/quote']

No, you misunderstood. It is social. It is what the Constitution was based off of. It amazes me how many claim to be Christian simply because they live in America. America is the ONLY 1st world country to be largely Christian. I am thrilled at our Abortion and Homo laws. It's not just FL, which if you do visit, be sure to visit Marion County (I live smack dab in the middle), it is the whole of the continental USA. The MidWest isn't all it's cracked up to be. Mind you, I lived there the first half of my life.

CHristianity is an entire hypocrisy. Your almighty lord says that you must have free will and decide for yourself' date=' he then goes onto dictating how you should lead your life and threatning with smiting and #### if you don't agree with him. He says that He is forgiving and loving and then decides to engage in blowing up continents, flooding the world and general mass destruction. I am confronted with everyone else's opinion, not the truth, everything changes so quick that it is impossible to get the current truth only the truth that existed a couple of moments ago. With each new second the world changes, the universe changes so much that it is no longer the same universe it was a moment ago with each new decision the universe changes and if your consider how many infinite numbers of things that change the course of the universe per second, then it is near impossible to get any definite hold on what the universe is like.

He died from a birth defect, I have lost friends thanks to the war in Iraq, I have seen a friend broken by Iraq. I am about to have a cousin go into the army and potentially will loose him too. Death is not controlled by your lord, it is controlled by chance and other human beings. It is not your non-existant master that decides whether people live or die, it is other humans. For example, I could go psychotic right now and kill everyone I meet, I could, don't particuarly want to, but I could. It is choice that changes the world, not God.

You never die if people remember you.

[/quote']

It isn't a hypocrisy, it's a paradox. The Zen tablets are full of those. Hey, It's Lord, so capitalize, huh? Your parents teach you not to lie or steal or kill, do they not? That is what God teaches us. He is kind. He allows these things to happen for the betterment of society and Truth stays the same. these mini-truths you speak of are only of this world, while the real Truth is Holy and should be revered.

He did? How sad. I almost died from a birth defect. It almost killed Mom, too. Oh, wait, it would be a pre-birth defect. Anyway, you know what I mean. I have several friends that want to join the military, including my boyfriend and my exboyfriend, neither of whom need to experience that terror. I am fortunate not to know anyone in the war personally. Oh, and even though I am not part of it, even though I could never be part of it, thanks to scoliosis, I have been broken by the war. Violence kills me, and to think that men and women are sent overseas to their graves everyday kills me even more. Death is controlled by God. CHance is false. It's a theory made by the agnostic/atheistic scientists who still (unbelievably) believe in Darwin's second theory of evolution. No, look, God changes the world through us, and unfortunately, not everyone sees the divinity of the circumstances.

You are absolutely right. But you forget the second half of it:

You never die if people remember you, and you never died if your spirit is whole and in the right place.

Agnosticism is having doubt about God's existance' date=' unsure about whether he exists or not having made your mind up about Him yet. Aethiesm is the outright belief that God does not exist.

Enjoy yourself then because I suspect the North will proove to be a very difficult challenge considering how practical people are and don't really bother with "spiritual" matters. I should know, I am a northerner.

[/quote']

Again, same theology behind it. or rather, atheology.

I certainly will enjoy myelf. I love a challenge, and I am confident God will work through me to change their silly reasoning into true practicallity and true spirituality. I know you are a northerner. you've told us on numerous occasions. Perhaps, if we do meet, we can have a tet-a-tet debate. I will have studied the Bible more thoroughly by then, and I will be able to answer any trick wuestions you may have thought up by then. Take that.

But surely since God was not married to Mary that means he was commiting adultery/####.

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No. Have I need to type up the Nicene Creed? I do believe I will. Here:

We believe in one God' date='

the Fasther, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and eart,

of all that is seen and unseen.

 

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

Gog from God, Light from Light,

True God from True God,

begotten not made,

of one being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation

he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end.

 

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who preceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.

We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the ressurection of the dead,

and the life of the world to come. Amen.

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Maybe I [i']should[/i] type up Romans...

[Topazia]

Yay, I can get away with the county I live in! I really do live in the center of Marion County, though.

 

 

Horatio, this is off topic, but I'm surprised you haven't edited my Falling Behind work in the Stories forum. So violent? Even I would have at least thought about asking the author to tone it down, and I'm the one with the dangerous imagination!

*looks at the blonde hammie in awe and reverence.*

You are a good moderator.

♥

 

[Topazia]

back to what I was saying:

 

I have spoken to Mom the other day, and she likes the idea of me going to England in a few years. (I didn't run it by her until after I posted. whoops.)

 

Hope we meet someday, hopefully not on Judgment Day, when it's too late! ♥

 

[Taynio]

Anyone ever hear of the Divinci Code and the relationship between Jesus and a certain... "friend"? Do you not say you haven't TGHL! I do not remember her name but I believe it was Mary Magdalin or whatever..... (Do NOT correct me on my spelling... I do not want to know how to spell it!!!!!!!)

 

Do this. Look at the picture of the last supper- The one that people use as the last supper. Alright. Good. Now see the person to the right of Jesus. Tell me who you think it is. It says that it is Jesus's special friend and it is a female in the picture. Right? It also is said the person to the right of Jesus is his head disciple. Look like a female named Mary to you? Notice also the hand of Jesus and the hand of the person who is believed to be Mary. They are joined. Not in a friend way but the way that people in love would do. Also notice the man beside Mary is looking at her and is very close to her.... It is believed (And also found in old text dating back to the time of Jesus just about written by some important people that were close to Jesus) that Jesus is Mary's baby's daddy. This text I speak of was written in the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. They found it in the dessert somewhere and the Arabian who found it burned part of it and sold it. The parchments were added part to the bible back then.

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

 

 

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this... you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

 

P.S. I will reply to your replies with other ideas such as these and make you chew on those.... DONT CHOKE!

[Horatio]

They found it in the dessert somewhere...

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

Sorry, I couldn't pass this one up. I was wondering, just where the big glass jar of dessert would be hidden? *wonders if there is birthday cake in the jar.

[Taynio]

They found it in the dessert somewhere...

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

Sorry, I couldn't pass this one up. I was wondering, just where the big glass jar of dessert would be hidden? *wonders if there is birthday cake in the jar.

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You bad bad hamster....... lol I cannot believe I typed dessert.... rofl

That makes me mad. YOU MADE ME MAD!

[Taynio]

OMG I did it twice! MAN! I must pay more attention to what I type!

[Mega Wolf]

Anyone ever hear of the Divinci Code and the relationship between Jesus and a certain... "friend"? Do you not say you haven't TGHL! I do not remember her name but I believe it was Mary Magdalin or whatever..... (Do NOT correct me on my spelling...  I do not want to know how to spell it!!!!!!!)

 

Do this. Look at the picture of the last supper- The one that people use as the last supper. Alright. Good. Now see the person to the right of Jesus. Tell me who you think it is. It says that it is Jesus's special friend and it is a female in the picture. Right? It also is said the person to the right of Jesus is his head disciple. Look like a female named Mary to you? Notice also the hand of Jesus and the hand of the person who is believed to be Mary. They are joined. Not in a friend way but the way that people in love would do. Also notice the man beside Mary is looking at her and is very close to her.... It is believed (And also found in old text dating back to the time of Jesus just about written by some important people that were close to Jesus) that Jesus is Mary's baby's daddy. This text I speak of was written in the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. They found it in the dessert somewhere and the Arabian who found it burned part of it and sold it. The parchments were added part to the bible back then.

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

 

 

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this...  you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

 

P.S. I will reply to your replies with other ideas such as these and make you chew on those.... DONT CHOKE!

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It does seem like there's too many male roles. For examply, why was Adam created first and not Eve?

[Horatio]

OMG I did it twice! MAN! I must pay more attention to what I type!

Not one, not two, but THREE times.

The great part is read it as dessert and it is really quite funny!

You deserve The Triple Gold Star Award for this!

[Horatio]

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this...  you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

On a serious note... long, long ago, societies were matrilineal. Women were goddesses. Archeological finds show women with snakes, a sign of a goddess. If you would like to read a really great book, please read: When God Was A Woman. I cannot remember the author, but it is historically written with archeological facts to back up the writings. let me know what you think after you read this.

[Topazia]

Anyone ever hear of the Divinci Code and the relationship between Jesus and a certain... "friend"? Do you not say you haven't TGHL! I do not remember her name but I believe it was Mary Magdalin or whatever..... (Do NOT correct me on my spelling...  I do not want to know how to spell it!!!!!!!)

 

Do this. Look at the picture of the last supper- The one that people use as the last supper. Alright. Good. Now see the person to the right of Jesus. Tell me who you think it is. It says that it is Jesus's special friend and it is a female in the picture. Right? It also is said the person to the right of Jesus is his head disciple. Look like a female named Mary to you? Notice also the hand of Jesus and the hand of the person who is believed to be Mary. They are joined. Not in a friend way but the way that people in love would do. Also notice the man beside Mary is looking at her and is very close to her.... It is believed (And also found in old text dating back to the time of Jesus just about written by some important people that were close to Jesus) that Jesus is Mary's baby's daddy. This text I speak of was written in the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. They found it in the dessert somewhere and the Arabian who found it burned part of it and sold it. The parchments were added part to the bible back then.

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

 

 

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this...  you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

 

P.S. I will reply to your replies with other ideas such as these and make you chew on those.... DONT CHOKE!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Back in Biblical times, women were not listened too. It makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, and God doesn't really have a gender. The English language just doesn't have the best translation of nongender power. Just like "mankind" and "all men are created equal," it's a generalization.

 

And God sent its Begotten er... it-child to save the world, and It loved us very much. That sounds even stupider than your example!

 

 

Taynio, I've been challenged with that one before. I won that argument, too!

♥

[Topazia]

put your mouse over the X and drag it over to the O while holding a click.

 

 

this is really cool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

XGod is there, even if you can't see Him.O

[Taynio]

Anyone ever hear of the Divinci Code and the relationship between Jesus and a certain... "friend"? Do you not say you haven't TGHL! I do not remember her name but I believe it was Mary Magdalin or whatever..... (Do NOT correct me on my spelling...  I do not want to know how to spell it!!!!!!!)

 

Do this. Look at the picture of the last supper- The one that people use as the last supper. Alright. Good. Now see the person to the right of Jesus. Tell me who you think it is. It says that it is Jesus's special friend and it is a female in the picture. Right? It also is said the person to the right of Jesus is his head disciple. Look like a female named Mary to you? Notice also the hand of Jesus and the hand of the person who is believed to be Mary. They are joined. Not in a friend way but the way that people in love would do. Also notice the man beside Mary is looking at her and is very close to her.... It is believed (And also found in old text dating back to the time of Jesus just about written by some important people that were close to Jesus) that Jesus is Mary's baby's daddy. This text I speak of was written in the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. They found it in the dessert somewhere and the Arabian who found it burned part of it and sold it. The parchments were added part to the bible back then.

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

 

 

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this...  you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

 

P.S. I will reply to your replies with other ideas such as these and make you chew on those.... DONT CHOKE!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Back in Biblical times, women were not listened too. It makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, and God doesn't really have a gender. The English language just doesn't have the best translation of nongender power. Just like "mankind" and "all men are created equal," it's a generalization.

 

And God sent its Begotten er... it-child to save the world, and It loved us very much. That sounds even stupider than your example!

 

 

Taynio, I've been challenged with that one before. I won that argument, too!

♥

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You haven't won this argument.

 

Back in bibical times women were not listened to... why say something that is obvious?

 

You're right with the English language part. No comment there.

 

'All men are created equal' was actually only referring to men. White men, that is.

It wasn't till around the 1860s when women could anything outside from what the bible says.

 

Also, the bible was written back when there were different ethics, morals, and etc.

 

A question that I haven't asked here before: why did it take the omnipotent 'God' like 6 days to create all of existence when in the bible it says he can do it without even thinking of it? Is 'God's power limited?

 

Another question: What was before 'God', before us, did he suddenly say 'I want to create something known as the universe with people in it'?

 

Those questions YOU cannot answer but will come back with the general christian reply 'We will find out those answers in heaven.'.

 

I know I got off subject of what we were talking about with the sex and etc but eh you know?

 

How does my example saying she sound stupid?!?!? It says god isnt a sex so I can use her as I want... even as an it or he-she/she-he or him-her/her-him.

 

When I ask questions and etc I never lose. Even though christians would beg otherwise.

[Taynio]

put your mouse over the X and drag it over to the O while holding a click.

 

 

this is really cool.

XGod is there, even if you can't see Him.O

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How do you know about that? Can you honestly say 100% without a doubt that he exists? Wouldn't there be signs? Wouldn't there be less suffering from such a merciful 'God'? Also, look at my questions in my previous post.

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

put your mouse over the X and drag it over to the O while holding a click.

 

 

this is really cool.

XGod is there, even if you can't see Him.O

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

How do you know about that? Can you honestly say 100% without a doubt that he exists? Wouldn't there be signs? Wouldn't there be less suffering from such a merciful 'God'? Also, look at my questions in my previous post.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's how I feel on religion. It all a waste of time.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Anyone ever hear of the Divinci Code and the relationship between Jesus and a certain... "friend"? Do you not say you haven't TGHL! I do not remember her name but I believe it was Mary Magdalin or whatever..... (Do NOT correct me on my spelling...  I do not want to know how to spell it!!!!!!!)

 

Do this. Look at the picture of the last supper- The one that people use as the last supper. Alright. Good. Now see the person to the right of Jesus. Tell me who you think it is. It says that it is Jesus's special friend and it is a female in the picture. Right? It also is said the person to the right of Jesus is his head disciple. Look like a female named Mary to you? Notice also the hand of Jesus and the hand of the person who is believed to be Mary. They are joined. Not in a friend way but the way that people in love would do. Also notice the man beside Mary is looking at her and is very close to her.... It is believed (And also found in old text dating back to the time of Jesus just about written by some important people that were close to Jesus) that Jesus is Mary's baby's daddy. This text I speak of was written in the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. They found it in the dessert somewhere and the Arabian who found it burned part of it and sold it. The parchments were added part to the bible back then.

 

The story of the text and how it is was in the dessert is thus: disciples, scholars, and close friends of Jesus wrote the papers and added them to the bible. A king ruling at that time, or a figure head rather, took the papers and had scholars hide them in the dessert in a glass jar (big big glass jar). An Arabian man found them and you know the rest.

 

 

Another point I want to make out is that- God when you refer to God you call God a MALE. Why? Because the society was ran by MALES back in the time (Still is now). Why was it God's only begotten SON? Males... again.

 

Consider this...  you start using she when refering to the Christian God. See what comments and replies you get.

 

God gave her only begotten daughter to save this world and its people. She loved the world lots and lots.

 

Getting offended yet? Christianity is RUN by males. Always has too. Females, in the bible, had no place for religion or any place in life at all. Does that seem SEXIST to you?!?!?!!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!???!

 

Chew on that and tell me what you think now.

 

P.S. I will reply to your replies with other ideas such as these and make you chew on those.... DONT CHOKE!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Are you a believer in the sacred feminine Tayino?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I'm so proud of you. you know your geography. Communism is the largest and fastest-growing pseudoreligion since atheism.

Communism is not a religon for a start, second it isn't growing, it is depleting, fading away. You can't blame the milk going sour on the communists anymore because the cold war is over! China, North Korea and Vietnam are the few countries where the communists are still in power and even there it is shaky! Kim Jung Il is sitting on top of a Nuclear Missile with a saddle and the Vietmanese government has got the people upset, China is the last stronghold of communism.

Woopee, it's the same thing!

Actually I believe Cynicism is to be overtly critical and sceptical whereas sarcasam is a witicism used to inflict an insult.

Nope. Inaccurate. Noble, good, and dead is only a good mix if youre dying for a really good thing, like the glory of God. Okay, TGHL, I'll let your soul decay while your alive and I'll let mine flourish in this deadened world, and we'll see who gets the goods in the end! In this case, I'm not crazy, I'm stark raving undignified before the Lord! Usually, people call me crazy, though. I wonder why...

Difference will be is that I will be living, you'll just be a shell, a slave bound to something as insubstantial and obtainable as a second

No, you misunderstood. It is social. It is what the Constitution was based off of. It amazes me how many claim to be Christian simply because they live in America. America is the ONLY 1st world country to be largely Christian. I am thrilled at our Abortion and Homo laws. It's not just FL, which if you do visit, be sure to visit Marion County (I live smack dab in the middle), it is the whole of the continental USA. The MidWest isn't all it's cracked up to be. Mind you, I lived there the first half of my life.

Really? I thought the constiution was based on some half baked ideals scribbled down quickly in an effort to show that the revolution was really worth it and has quickly become outdated and needs updating but every attempt is blocked by petty-minded, back bench republican senators with the political inaccuacies only previously available to the Right Wing. It is also a symbol of how on the political spectrum in America, what is viewed as a "centre" politican is now so far on the right that the politican is living in Naziville, has a small toothbrush mustache and goes to bed with his neice while having a girlfriend called Eva Braun, so anything that anyone else regards as being central on the political specturm is viewed as dangerously communist and infringing on rights you don't have. I'm done now. Anyway, that's not true. Spain and Italy are more Christian (barely) that America because they have such close links to the Pope and Vatican.

Thrilled. Thrilled? That is another example of hipocrisy in Christianity. God leaves a celestial version of a post it note (1000 ft high, stuck on a mountainside) proclaiming "be free", but then goes on and leaves a little footnote on the bottom in miniscule writing that only an electron microscope can read saying "oh and by the way, no contraception or homosexsuality, in fact no freedom at all. Yes I know contraception will help in the future with overcrowding and populaion increase, Lucifer. Look, yes I know. No! I am not letting them wear little plastic things to prevent unecessary childbirth, they weren't available to me when I went to see Mary and they would have been useful! Would of stopped that little poser Jesus from being born. Oh dear he heard me. Darn it, I've left the lightning on dictate mode. Its written everything down. Rats. Where's that switch?"

It isn't a hypocrisy, it's a paradox. The Zen tablets are full of those. Hey, It's Lord, so capitalize, huh? Your parents teach you not to lie or steal or kill, do they not? That is what God teaches us. He is kind. He allows these things to happen for the betterment of society and Truth stays the same. these mini-truths you speak of are only of this world, while the real Truth is Holy and should be revered.

He did? How sad. I almost died from a birth defect. It almost killed Mom, too. Oh, wait, it would be a pre-birth defect. Anyway, you know what I mean. I have several friends that want to join the military, including my boyfriend and my exboyfriend, neither of whom need to experience that terror. I am fortunate not to know anyone in the war personally. Oh, and even though I am not part of it, even though I could never be part of it, thanks to scoliosis, I have been broken by the war. Violence kills me, and to think that men and women are sent overseas to their graves everyday kills me even more. Death is controlled by God. CHance is false. It's a theory made by the agnostic/atheistic scientists who still (unbelievably) believe in Darwin's second theory of evolution. No, look, God changes the world through us, and unfortunately, not everyone sees the divinity of the circumstances.

You are absolutely right. But you forget the second half of it:

You never die if people remember you, and you never died if your spirit is whole and in the right place.

Doesn't really read as a paradox, as paradoxes usually make what people on earth like to call sense. Whereas my friend on Betelguese 7 informs me that in his native tounge the word for sense also means "abused raddish" which makes perfect sense. I wonder what it is like to be insane? To believe in something so whole heartedly that you think it is real and deny anything to the contrary? Have you ever heard of Jerusaleum syndrome? It is a disorder where people go and do the whole "In the steps of Jesus" thing and then come back thinking they are Jesus, an Angel or more interestingly the Devil. I saw footage of someone who had Jerusaleum syndrome and believed he was the devil and went off and killed 12 or so people who proclaimed themselves as stigmatics in order to "win the war over the forces of God" and "bring about Judgement day, but instead of God doing the weighing it shall instead be the Dark Lord himself." What is it that drives these people into this state Topazia? WHy does their faith twist them?

Actually there isn't a second part, there never has been except perhaps one tacked on by Christians in their consumation of all other religons. That belief is that of the Native Americans, but it has been shared by some of the greatest poets, writers and creative people in History.

Again, same theology behind it. or rather, atheology.

I certainly will enjoy myelf. I love a challenge, and I am confident God will work through me to change their silly reasoning into true practicallity and true spirituality. I know you are a northerner. you've told us on numerous occasions. Perhaps, if we do meet, we can have a tet-a-tet debate. I will have studied the Bible more thoroughly by then, and I will be able to answer any trick wuestions you may have thought up by then. Take that.

I believe the correct spelling is "tete-a-tete" with accents on. From the french meaning "head-to-head"

No. Have I need to type up the Nicene Creed? I do believe I will. Here:

We believe in one God,

the Fasther, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and eart,

of all that is seen and unseen.

 

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

Gog from God, Light from Light,

True God from True God,

begotten not made,

of one being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation

he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end.

 

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who preceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.

We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the ressurection of the dead,

and the life of the world to come. Amen.

------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe I should type up Romans...

"All the words in the holy scriptures cannot hide the holes in the plasterwork."

[Topazia]

You haven't won this argument.

 

Back in bibical times women were not listened to... why say something that is obvious?

 

You're right with the English language part. No comment there.

 

'All men are created equal' was actually only referring to men. White men, that is.

It wasn't till around the 1860s when women could anything outside from what the bible says.

 

Also, the bible was written back when there were different ethics, morals, and etc.

 

A question that I haven't asked here before: why did it take the omnipotent 'God' like 6 days to create all of existence when in the bible it says he can do it without even thinking of it? Is 'God's power limited?

 

Another question: What was before 'God', before us, did he suddenly say 'I want to create something known as the universe with people in it'?

 

Those questions YOU cannot answer but will come back with the general christian reply 'We will find out those answers in heaven.'.

 

I know I got off subject of what we were talking about with the sex and etc but eh you know?

 

How does my example saying she sound stupid?!?!? It says god isnt a sex so I can use her as I want... even as an it or he-she/she-he or him-her/her-him.

 

When I ask questions and etc I never lose. Even though christians would beg otherwise.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I never said I won this one. I will, but I haven't yet. I'm not like the rest of the Christians in this world. They simply accept things, but I search for the "why" of the matter, and still (to TGHL's disagreement) I find proof of my beliefs being correct. Voila, there's your answer until I feel like reading the entire thing again.

How do you know about that? Can you honestly say 100% without a doubt that he exists? Wouldn't there be signs? Wouldn't there be less suffering from such a merciful 'God'? Also, look at my questions in my previous post.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes. God uses the bad things to shape and mold us.

Communism is not a religon for a start, second it isn't growing, it is depleting, fading away. You can't blame the milk going sour on the communists anymore because the cold war is over! China, North Korea and Vietnam are the few countries where the communists are still in power and even there it is shaky! Kim Jung Il is sitting on top of a Nuclear Missile with a saddle and the Vietmanese government has got the people upset, China is the last stronghold of communism.

Again, I am special in the way that you are intellectually my better, but I am spiritually yours. Actually, what you have seen and heard about is much tamer than the truth of the matter. Believe me, just a little bit of investigation will uncover the horrific truth of the circumstances we face everyday.

Actually I believe Cynicism is to be overtly critical and sceptical whereas sarcasam is a witicism used to inflict an insult.

To me it's the same thing, because when I feel cynical, I get really sarcastic.

Difference will be is that I will be living, you'll just be a shell, a slave bound to something as insubstantial and obtainable as a second

Wrong. Difference will be that I am eternally joyful, and you are eternally miserable, more miserable than you felt when your brother died. I will probably keep bringing it up, but not to incense or annoy you.

Really? I thought the constiution was based on some half baked ideals scribbled down quickly in an effort to show that the revolution was really worth it and has quickly become outdated and needs updating but every attempt is blocked by petty-minded, back bench republican senators with the political inaccuacies only previously available to the Right Wing. It is also a symbol of how on the political spectrum in America, what is viewed as a "centre" politican is now so far on the right that the politican is living in Naziville, has a small toothbrush mustache and goes to bed with his neice while having a girlfriend called Eva Braun, so anything that anyone else regards as being central on the political specturm is viewed as dangerously communist and infringing on rights you don't have. I'm done now. Anyway, that's not true. Spain and Italy are more Christian (barely) that America because they have such close links to the Pope and Vatican.

Thrilled. Thrilled? That is another example of hipocrisy in Christianity. God leaves a celestial version of a post it note (1000 ft high, stuck on a mountainside) proclaiming "be free", but then goes on and leaves a little footnote on the bottom in miniscule writing that only an electron microscope can read saying "oh and by the way, no contraception or homosexsuality, in fact no freedom at all. Yes I know contraception will help in the future with overcrowding and populaion increase, Lucifer. Look, yes I know. No! I am not letting them wear little plastic things to prevent unecessary childbirth, they weren't available to me when I went to see Mary and they would have been useful! Would of stopped that little poser Jesus from being born. Oh dear he heard me. Darn it, I've left the lightning on dictate mode. Its written everything down. Rats. Where's that switch?"

I started laughing aloud at your Hitler analogy. Contraception is fine. Condoms and surgical prevention is fine. Pregnancy termination is what is wrong. Hey, if your mom had had an abortion, you wouldn't be here. You would never have met Horatio, Taynio, or me. HD would be very boring. Correct? TYVM!

Doesn't really read as a paradox, as paradoxes usually make what people on earth like to call sense. Whereas my friend on Betelguese 7 informs me that in his native tounge the word for sense also means "abused raddish" which makes perfect sense. I wonder what it is like to be insane? To believe in something so whole heartedly that you think it is real and deny anything to the contrary? Have you ever heard of Jerusaleum syndrome? It is a disorder where people go and do the whole "In the steps of Jesus" thing and then come back thinking they are Jesus, an Angel or more interestingly the Devil. I saw footage of someone who had Jerusaleum syndrome and believed he was the devil and went off and killed 12 or so people who proclaimed themselves as stigmatics in order to "win the war over the forces of God" and "bring about Judgement day, but instead of God doing the weighing it shall instead be the Dark Lord himself." What is it that drives these people into this state Topazia? WHy does their faith twist them?GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN! Jerusalem syndrome is a possession. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Actually there isn't a second part, there never has been except perhaps one tacked on by Christians in their consumation of all other religons. That belief is that of the Native Americans, but it has been shared by some of the greatest poets, writers and creative people in History.

Ugh... don't get me started, I'm feeling murderous this week. (if you have a sister or a close female friend, you know what I mean.)

I believe the correct spelling is "tete-a-tete" with accents on. From the french meaning "head-to-head"

Shut up. I'm learning Spanish, and I speak English. Have you noticed I don't care about my mistakes? I don't make many, and far less than you do, so ease up, my friend.

"All the words in the holy scriptures cannot hide the holes in the plasterwork."

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sorry, was that supposed to mean something to me?

 

Looking at your signature:

Decieving the multitudes? Satan is decieving you all. He fooled me for fourteen years. He fools me to this day. (I curse, despite my precautions of prevention.) He fools you even as you read this, searching for mistakes in my rough draft replies, which I almost never revise. I see no reason. I am careful to write it correctly the first time. I only debate with you in because we disagree on an important aspect of life. CoE has many errata, (think Latin.) which is why we have Protestant denominations such as Anglican/Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Methodist. In fact, if not for dissenters, America would still be wilderness to an extent, when we are almost more industrialized than Britain.

 

Satan decieves us each day, whether we realize it or not. Tell me, do you hold a grudge? If so, why? It takes so much energy to hate and hold grudges, there is no reason. When you hate someone, or refuse to forgive them, you give them control over you. Why? It's not worth it. That's what Christians strive to do: forgive and forget. Why? So they will have more energy and free time to praise God and help others in their time of need. Why? Because that's what we're told to do. Why do we do it? Well, wouldn't you want to make dear old Dad smile? It feels good to recieve that "Good job! Thanks, son!" reward, doesn't it? Why make Dad sad or angry, when you can make him happy just by doing what you know he wants you to do?

 

Satan, or Lucifer, was the angel of Light and Music. Yes. Very good. Why worship a fallen angel, something that is not as powerful as another being? Isn't Illuminati a deistic type of belief (or disbelief) system? Doesn't that kind of take away from the whole Atheist ideal? When you can convince me I am wrong, I will turn from my ways, and follow yours. I will live my life to the materialistic full. I will become shallow and appearance-oriented just like you. (You, being every non-Christian.) "You can't stop me, You can't put me out/I know you gotta question, so gimme a shout!" Thank you, Twitch!

 

I patiently await your next reply, for I am itching to know what you have to say to this, TGHL. ♥♥♥

[Cheesus]

Satan decieves us each day, whether we realize it or not. Tell me, do you hold a grudge? If so, why? It takes so much energy to hate and hold grudges, there is no reason. When you hate someone, or refuse to forgive them, you give them control over you. Why? It's not worth it. That's what Christians strive to do: forgive and forget. Why? So they will have more energy and free time to praise God and help others in their time of need. Why? Because that's what we're told to do. Why do we do it? Well, wouldn't you want to make dear old Dad smile? It feels good to recieve that "Good job! Thanks, son!" reward, doesn't it? Why make Dad sad or angry, when you can make him happy just by doing what you know he wants you to do?

 

Satan, or Lucifer, was the angel of Light and Music. Yes. Very good. Why worship a fallen angel, something that is not as powerful as another being? Isn't Illuminati a deistic type of belief (or disbelief) system? Doesn't that kind of take away from the whole Atheist ideal? When you can convince me I am wrong, I will turn from my ways, and follow yours. I will live my life to the materialistic full. I will become shallow and appearance-oriented just like you. (You, being every non-Christian.) "You can't stop me, You can't put me out/I know you gotta question, so gimme a shout!" Thank you, Twitch!

 

I patiently await your next reply, for I am itching to know what you have to say to this, TGHL. ♥♥♥

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am not christian, does that automatically make me shallow and appearance-oriented? You hold a grudge because you are angry at someone, they have wronged you, and it isn't fair for nothing to happen to them. If someone killed your parents, would you forgive and forget, and be friends with him? Or would you just ignore him? You would be angry, you have a grudge, and you could never forgive the murderer. ever. I am not trying to make enemies, just getting my opinions out there.

[Mega Wolf]

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

[Topazia]

Satan decieves us each day, whether we realize it or not. Tell me, do you hold a grudge? If so, why? It takes so much energy to hate and hold grudges, there is no reason. When you hate someone, or refuse to forgive them, you give them control over you. Why? It's not worth it. That's what Christians strive to do: forgive and forget. Why? So they will have more energy and free time to praise God and help others in their time of need. Why? Because that's what we're told to do. Why do we do it? Well, wouldn't you want to make dear old Dad smile? It feels good to recieve that "Good job! Thanks, son!" reward, doesn't it? Why make Dad sad or angry, when you can make him happy just by doing what you know he wants you to do?

 

Satan, or Lucifer, was the angel of Light and Music. Yes. Very good. Why worship a fallen angel, something that is not as powerful as another being? Isn't Illuminati a deistic type of belief (or disbelief) system? Doesn't that kind of take away from the whole Atheist ideal? When you can convince me I am wrong, I will turn from my ways, and follow yours. I will live my life to the materialistic full. I will become shallow and appearance-oriented just like you. (You, being every non-Christian.) "You can't stop me, You can't put me out/I know you gotta question, so gimme a shout!" Thank you, Twitch!

 

I patiently await your next reply, for I am itching to know what you have to say to this, TGHL. ♥♥♥

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am not christian, does that automatically make me shallow and appearance-oriented? You hold a grudge because you are angry at someone, they have wronged you, and it isn't fair for nothing to happen to them. If someone killed your parents, would you forgive and forget, and be friends with him? Or would you just ignore him? You would be angry, you have a grudge, and you could never forgive the murderer. ever. I am not trying to make enemies, just getting my opinions out there.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, Cheese, that's not what I'm saying. I was being general. Trust me: I know several non-Christian friends in real life that are less material than I am! If someone killed my parents, I would be very upset, but I would still forgive them. It's not worth my time and energy to hate someone. Look, when someone does something wrong, they have to pay. I would be hurt, not angry. I would not hold a grudge, because that would prevent the both of us from going to heaven. Somewhere in the Bible which I'm not going to search for, it says to forgive someone, or it will retain them from the glory of God's love. I want everyone to experience the joys of His salvation (quoting songs, now.), so I lmow I must forgive them. I know, I know, you never know something for sure until you're confronted with it, but I'm confident that I would do what I have said.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Huh? Could you translate? Do you mean Judeism or Islam? Both are mentioned in the Bible. But the Bible says they are wrong now that Jesus was born, died, and rose again. And only Judeism (sp?) was correct. See? I read many books, not just Bible. I special that way, I guess.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not entirely true. Government is what makes you allowed to even own a computer or even be alive today. Religion is very important. I think Atheists have more faith than those with a religion, be it Christianity or not. May I ask what you are?

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Satan decieves us each day, whether we realize it or not. Tell me, do you hold a grudge? If so, why? It takes so much energy to hate and hold grudges, there is no reason. When you hate someone, or refuse to forgive them, you give them control over you. Why? It's not worth it. That's what Christians strive to do: forgive and forget. Why? So they will have more energy and free time to praise God and help others in their time of need. Why? Because that's what we're told to do. Why do we do it? Well, wouldn't you want to make dear old Dad smile? It feels good to recieve that "Good job! Thanks, son!" reward, doesn't it? Why make Dad sad or angry, when you can make him happy just by doing what you know he wants you to do?

 

Satan, or Lucifer, was the angel of Light and Music. Yes. Very good. Why worship a fallen angel, something that is not as powerful as another being? Isn't Illuminati a deistic type of belief (or disbelief) system? Doesn't that kind of take away from the whole Atheist ideal? When you can convince me I am wrong, I will turn from my ways, and follow yours. I will live my life to the materialistic full. I will become shallow and appearance-oriented just like you. (You, being every non-Christian.) "You can't stop me, You can't put me out/I know you gotta question, so gimme a shout!" Thank you, Twitch!

 

I patiently await your next reply, for I am itching to know what you have to say to this, TGHL. ♥♥♥

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am not christian, does that automatically make me shallow and appearance-oriented? You hold a grudge because you are angry at someone, they have wronged you, and it isn't fair for nothing to happen to them. If someone killed your parents, would you forgive and forget, and be friends with him? Or would you just ignore him? You would be angry, you have a grudge, and you could never forgive the murderer. ever. I am not trying to make enemies, just getting my opinions out there.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, Cheese, that's not what I'm saying. I was being general. Trust me: I know several non-Christian friends in real life that are less material than I am! If someone killed my parents, I would be very upset, but I would still forgive them. It's not worth my time and energy to hate someone. Look, when someone does something wrong, they have to pay. I would be hurt, not angry. I would not hold a grudge, because that would prevent the both of us from going to heaven. Somewhere in the Bible which I'm not going to search for, it says to forgive someone, or it will retain them from the glory of God's love. I want everyone to experience the joys of His salvation (quoting songs, now.), so I lmow I must forgive them. I know, I know, you never know something for sure until you're confronted with it, but I'm confident that I would do what I have said.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Huh? Could you translate? Do you mean Judeism or Islam? Both are mentioned in the Bible. But the Bible says they are wrong now that Jesus was born, died, and rose again. And only Judeism (sp?) was correct. See? I read many books, not just Bible. I special that way, I guess.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not entirely true. Government is what makes you allowed to even own a computer or even be alive today. Religion is very important. I think Atheists have more faith than those with a religion, be it Christianity or not. May I ask what you are?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agnostic.

[Mega Wolf]

Satan decieves us each day, whether we realize it or not. Tell me, do you hold a grudge? If so, why? It takes so much energy to hate and hold grudges, there is no reason. When you hate someone, or refuse to forgive them, you give them control over you. Why? It's not worth it. That's what Christians strive to do: forgive and forget. Why? So they will have more energy and free time to praise God and help others in their time of need. Why? Because that's what we're told to do. Why do we do it? Well, wouldn't you want to make dear old Dad smile? It feels good to recieve that "Good job! Thanks, son!" reward, doesn't it? Why make Dad sad or angry, when you can make him happy just by doing what you know he wants you to do?

 

Satan, or Lucifer, was the angel of Light and Music. Yes. Very good. Why worship a fallen angel, something that is not as powerful as another being? Isn't Illuminati a deistic type of belief (or disbelief) system? Doesn't that kind of take away from the whole Atheist ideal? When you can convince me I am wrong, I will turn from my ways, and follow yours. I will live my life to the materialistic full. I will become shallow and appearance-oriented just like you. (You, being every non-Christian.) "You can't stop me, You can't put me out/I know you gotta question, so gimme a shout!" Thank you, Twitch!

 

I patiently await your next reply, for I am itching to know what you have to say to this, TGHL. ♥♥♥

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am not christian, does that automatically make me shallow and appearance-oriented? You hold a grudge because you are angry at someone, they have wronged you, and it isn't fair for nothing to happen to them. If someone killed your parents, would you forgive and forget, and be friends with him? Or would you just ignore him? You would be angry, you have a grudge, and you could never forgive the murderer. ever. I am not trying to make enemies, just getting my opinions out there.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, Cheese, that's not what I'm saying. I was being general. Trust me: I know several non-Christian friends in real life that are less material than I am! If someone killed my parents, I would be very upset, but I would still forgive them. It's not worth my time and energy to hate someone. Look, when someone does something wrong, they have to pay. I would be hurt, not angry. I would not hold a grudge, because that would prevent the both of us from going to heaven. Somewhere in the Bible which I'm not going to search for, it says to forgive someone, or it will retain them from the glory of God's love. I want everyone to experience the joys of His salvation (quoting songs, now.), so I lmow I must forgive them. I know, I know, you never know something for sure until you're confronted with it, but I'm confident that I would do what I have said.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Huh? Could you translate? Do you mean Judeism or Islam? Both are mentioned in the Bible. But the Bible says they are wrong now that Jesus was born, died, and rose again. And only Judeism (sp?) was correct. See? I read many books, not just Bible. I special that way, I guess.

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not entirely true. Government is what makes you allowed to even own a computer or even be alive today. Religion is very important. I think Atheists have more faith than those with a religion, be it Christianity or not. May I ask what you are?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

[Topazia]

Agnostic.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Agnostic.

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Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Poor Me. Until I see hard physical proof, I will remain that way, foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Arkcher]

Agnostic.

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Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Poor Me. Until I see hard physical proof, I will remain that way, foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Until you see physical proof?! With that kind of attitude, You aren't going to get anything! It is a test of faith! Seriously now. You can't expect everyone else to do all the work in order for you to know what's right or wrong. Pursue the truth. If you get down and pray to God, You not knowing if it is there, It will show faith to him that you don't physically see God, you pray to confirm his existance.

 

Do it properly, I assure you, You will get a sign of some way shape or form. If not, I'm just wasting your time, being nothing out of the ordinary.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

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Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not entirely true. Government is what makes you allowed to even own a computer or even be alive today. Religion is very important. I think Atheists have more faith than those with a religion, be it Christianity or not. May I ask what you are?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually I believe that science and people trying to understand everything (aka scientists) created computers and Government are just old systems built upon who had the biggest army and who happened to kill the previous chieftan. Religon is a waste of what little time we have.

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Agnostic.

Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

Poor Me. Until I see hard physical proof, I will remain that way, foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Until you see physical proof?! With that kind of attitude, You aren't going to get anything! It is a test of faith! Seriously now. You can't expect everyone else to do all the work in order for you to know what's right or wrong. Pursue the truth. If you get down and pray to God, You not knowing if it is there, It will show faith to him that you don't physically see God, you pray to confirm his existance.

 

Do it properly, I assure you, You will get a sign of some way shape or form. If not, I'm just wasting your time, being nothing out of the ordinary.

Oh, again.

 

 

You people are a waste of my time. (Not All) Adios.

[Topazia]

Agnostic.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

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Poor Me. Until I see hard physical proof, I will remain that way, foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Search for the Truth, or you will never see the Truth!

 

I'm gonna throw this one at you:

 

What is it that makes a religion founded around 2000 years ago correct compared to one created thousands of years before?

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Religion and government and the two most upsurd things to use your time on. No point. None None None.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's not entirely true. Government is what makes you allowed to even own a computer or even be alive today. Religion is very important. I think Atheists have more faith than those with a religion, be it Christianity or not. May I ask what you are?

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Actually I believe that science and people trying to understand everything (aka scientists) created computers and Government are just old systems built upon who had the biggest army and who happened to kill the previous chieftan. Religon is a waste of what little time we have.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And you're an idiot for thinking that. You have a one-track mind. You hardly even listen to what I say to you, and that's to try to prove me wrong. You are right. We don't have a lot of time. Which is why I'm trying to witness to you as best I can on a modded message board. Because you only have a certain amount of time before it's too late to find true life. I was an Atheist two years ago. I'll admit it. Nobody knows, though. Well, I take that back, I was an Agnostic. I knew God existed, I just didn't believe in him. My father figure as a young child did that to me. He warped my sense of who I was and who God was. Look, I am extremely practical. I am just as "practical" as you are. God uses that, and will continue to use it. Believe me, if I were any less of who I am, I'd still be Agnostic, if not completely Atheist. I'm afraid for you. Not of you. I fear for your safety and well-being. I fear most of all for your spiritual health. I'm talking to a dead man, TGHL. I want to be the tool of the Great Necromancer who brings you to Life. By definition, you are dead. In fact, I was messing around with my thesaurus last night, and I eventually got from "English" as in from England to "dead." I showed my brother. It took me awhile, but I did it. (I was bored and wanted to see how far I could get from one word's definition.) It isn't easy for me to say this, either, you know. I am extremely proud. I'm about to get sappy now.

I agape you. That's Godly love, a willingness to lay your life down for a friend. But I think it's more than that. True agape (pronounced uh-gah-pay) to me is the love and willingness to lay your life down for an enemy or one who hurts you. When a Communist in China hits and imprisons a man for being a Christian, and then, soon after the Christian man is released, the Communist becomes imperiled. The Christian shows agape if he gives his own life for the Communist, regardless of the bad memories. I also filios you. That's love in the sense of a friend. (Let's see if I can spell "frend" right. ) You love your friends, and they have influence on you as a result. Not in the way you love your, say... Mom, but it's more of a "home away from home" or "the brother/sister you never had, or that you wanted to have" kind of love. Another kind of love, eros, is the kind of love that a husband and wife hold, that almost selfish love of passion, longing, and desire. I don't love you that much. (Nobody, actually. At least not yet. ) Last night my youth group went over this, and I clarified to Ich that my love for him is strictly agape and filios, and maybe a wee bit eros.

Anyway! Moving on!

Governments of today are based off of religious values. What makes you think you'd be any better off if your country's constitution wasn't based off of some morals from a religion, which was Christianity, by the way.

*is done, goes and stands in corner while humming "Jesus loves me this I know..."*

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Oh And yea. Didn't want you to think I meant you Paz. K? Bye

[Topazia]

Oh And yea. Didn't want you to think I meant you Paz. K? Bye

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*hugs*

[Arkcher]

Agnostic.

Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

Poor Me. Until I see hard physical proof, I will remain that way, foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Until you see physical proof?! With that kind of attitude, You aren't going to get anything! It is a test of faith! Seriously now. You can't expect everyone else to do all the work in order for you to know what's right or wrong. Pursue the truth. If you get down and pray to God, You not knowing if it is there, It will show faith to him that you don't physically see God, you pray to confirm his existance.

 

Do it properly, I assure you, You will get a sign of some way shape or form. If not, I'm just wasting your time, being nothing out of the ordinary.

Oh, again.

 

 

You people are a waste of my time. (Not All) Adios.

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Then why do you remain here?

[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Sounds like a plan to me. Tah Tah.

[Cheesus]

Oh And yea. Didn't want you to think I meant you Paz. K? Bye

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*hugs*

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

so, what do you think of the flying spaghetti monster religion?

[Arkcher]

Oh And yea. Didn't want you to think I meant you Paz. K? Bye

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*hugs*

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

so, what do you think of the flying spaghetti monster religion?

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That needs to die. Its very stupid.

 

Overnight, Im gonna duct-tape some wings on or something and chase down the flying spaghetti monster and EAT IT.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

[Mega Wolf]

I had this really strange thought recently.

 

What if we have spiritual power(some form of power, anyways, but let's just call it spiritual), and that is what makes people think clearly? What if from the start, we have personal spritual power floating about us finding its way in, and the mentally disabled are just the ones with spiritual power unable to find its way in. And then our spiritual power increases as we grow older, so we learn new things differently. And then, when we get really old, our spiritual power is slowly being pushed out by some force. And then we die, all of our spiritual power left to wander to a place humanly known as Heaven. Death is just spurting all of our power out at once. So near-death is just getting really close to a sudden busting out of energy, and so you see Heaven, but then interference with the emptying of this power prevents it from going there.

 

Wow. That's a looong thought. And a weird one. I have way too much time...

[lexxscrapham]

interesting thought wolfie, but what is heaven? and, for the sake of argument, what is inferno?

[Arkcher]

interesting thought wolfie, but what is heaven? and, for the sake of argument, what is inferno?

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Inferno is a rather hard-to-overcome character in SoulCalibur2. o_o

[Cheesus]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

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And isn't there something in the bible about "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth?" I think i heard that somewhere. So how does that fit in with forgiveness?

[Mega Wolf]

interesting thought wolfie, but what is heaven? and, for the sake of argument, what is inferno?

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Heaven representing a place of spiritual peace and Inferno representing the place of spiritual unrest. Of course, another place our power within may go is into another life-form, whatever is nearest, and all the while our memory gets wiped clean, much like Budhism. But I am leaning towards the Heaven representative.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And isn't there something in the bible about "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth?" I think i heard that somewhere. So how does that fit in with forgiveness?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There may have been but in the words of Ghandi;

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind"

[The Grim Hamster lord]

interesting thought wolfie, but what is heaven? and, for the sake of argument, what is inferno?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Inferno is a rather hard-to-overcome character in SoulCalibur2. o_o

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I find him relatively easy so long as he doesn't get a nice weapon, keep it with the ones which go "boing" or drain health and Link will beat him anyway.

Best character in SC2; LINK!

Worst Character: Stupid broom woman, whatshername?

[Topazia]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*refrains from pointing out typographical errors*

 

Okay, TGHL.

Let's do that. Let's abolish Judaeism, Islam, Christianity, and Bhuddism. Let's promote such fallacies as Hinduism and the Asian philosophies. Let's just try it for three days. Let's see how you do w/out the basic fundamentals of life. All we need to know, we learned in kindergarten: Be nice, put your mess away when you're done making it, and have a warm cookie with a cold glass of milk before taking a nap @ app 3pm. Problem is, that's perfect, and we don't live in Walgreens. (Horatio's seen the commercials, I'm sure. They are hilarious!!!)

 

Then, when we're through tearing the planet up and ruining it with nukes, let's bring back the Truth, the Way, and the Life. Let's bring back what you have so valiantly, though foolishly, fought since before I returned from my vaykay for school. Let's just try it, just for a little while, and see what happens. Yes, there will be much turmoil at first as people refuse to change, as you have, and yes, there will be much suffering as the ones in power stifle voices like mine and like Richard Wurmbrand's. However, once you figure out how to ignore the physical pains and discomforts of this world, shunning them for the sake of your Lord and Master, life gets a lot easier. In fact, since I finally really gave my life over to Christ, things have gone so much better than they were, you wouldn't believe it. I mean, Satan still throws things at me, but I don't dwell on it.

 

Believe me, in a boy-girl relationship, there is an unbelieveable amount of physical temptation, especially w/ Robert. (He's extremely guapo.[span]) Thing is, I've decided to wait. Rob respects that, and so respects himself, as well. Bonus for me, if we do get married. (Which would be fine by me, if we're still together during college and beyond.) There is the added temptations of teen world that our parents really don't understand, and that is the peer pressure to do drugs. Let's be honest here: how many people my mother's age really get the whole deal w/ drugs? More than we think, but how many actually get the visuals we are pommeled with these days? It ain't easy being a Christian in America, as I've said before, but I'm lovin/ it all the more, kiddo!

 

You're a teenager, TGHL, so you can understand those temptations better than say,...mullaypop, and I'm sure your parents have warned you against the dangers of Cannabis and/or heroin. (I hope. It's a terrible mind-warp.) The thoughts remain, though, don't they? I can easily tell you that it's difficult to put the thoughts away, but God helps me. Trust is a powerful thing. I put my trust in you to be a powerful and well-versed opponent when it comes to religious debating. I put my trust in Horatio to be a good mod. I may not like some of the changes he's made recently in some of my posts, but I know it's for the best. I put trust in a lot of places, but none compare to my trust in the Lord to preserve my soul for the ultimate feast. (Which I could use, seeing as how I'm trying to gain weight. )

 

Something else that bothers me what I've seen lately, what the heck is wrong w/ my mind? I'm writing more and more poetry to talk to Robert, becaused he knows I communicate best through singing or writing. (Trust me, the last poem I wrote him threw him back a couple steps. That's a lot, knowing my bf.) Long story short, I scare myself w/ the blunt honesty in my writings.

*smiles and starts singing Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so...

[- Kat -]

Must...resist...temptation...to argue!

 

I know myself. I'll get way angry and mad at somebody and they'll hate me for it and we'll never talk again. I'm just gonna say "I'ma Christian.", and leave. Pretty much what I did in that other topic over there.

[Cheesus]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*refrains from pointing out typographical errors*

 

Okay, TGHL.

Let's do that. Let's abolish Judaeism, Islam, Christianity, and Bhuddism. Let's promote such fallacies as Hinduism and the Asian philosophies. Let's just try it for three days. Let's see how you do w/out the basic fundamentals of life. All we need to know, we learned in kindergarten: Be nice, put your mess away when you're done making it, and have a warm cookie with a cold glass of milk before taking a nap @ app 3pm. Problem is, that's perfect, and we don't live in Walgreens. (Horatio's seen the commercials, I'm sure. They are hilarious!!!)

 

Then, when we're through tearing the planet up and ruining it with nukes, let's bring back the Truth, the Way, and the Life. Let's bring back what you have so valiantly, though foolishly, fought since before I returned from my vaykay for school. Let's just try it, just for a little while, and see what happens. Yes, there will be much turmoil at first as people refuse to change, as you have, and yes, there will be much suffering as the ones in power stifle voices like mine and like Richard Wurmbrand's. However, once you figure out how to ignore the physical pains and discomforts of this world, shunning them for the sake of your Lord and Master, life gets a lot easier. In fact, since I finally really gave my life over to Christ, things have gone so much better than they were, you wouldn't believe it. I mean, Satan still throws things at me, but I don't dwell on it.

 

Believe me, in a boy-girl relationship, there is an unbelieveable amount of physical temptation, especially w/ Robert. (He's extremely guapo.[span]) Thing is, I've decided to wait. Rob respects that, and so respects himself, as well. Bonus for me, if we do get married. (Which would be fine by me, if we're still together during college and beyond.) There is the added temptations of teen world that our parents really don't understand, and that is the peer pressure to do drugs. Let's be honest here: how many people my mother's age really get the whole deal w/ drugs? More than we think, but how many actually get the visuals we are pommeled with these days? It ain't easy being a Christian in America, as I've said before, but I'm lovin/ it all the more, kiddo!

 

You're a teenager, TGHL, so you can understand those temptations better than say,...mullaypop, and I'm sure your parents have warned you against the dangers of Cannabis and/or heroin. (I hope. It's a terrible mind-warp.) The thoughts remain, though, don't they? I can easily tell you that it's difficult to put the thoughts away, but God helps me. Trust is a powerful thing. I put my trust in you to be a powerful and well-versed opponent when it comes to religious debating. I put my trust in Horatio to be a good mod. I may not like some of the changes he's made recently in some of my posts, but I know it's for the best. I put trust in a lot of places, but none compare to my trust in the Lord to preserve my soul for the ultimate feast. (Which I could use, seeing as how I'm trying to gain weight. )

 

Something else that bothers me what I've seen lately, what the heck is wrong w/ my mind? I'm writing more and more poetry to talk to Robert, becaused he knows I communicate best through singing or writing. (Trust me, the last poem I wrote him threw him back a couple steps. That's a lot, knowing my bf.) Long story short, I scare myself w/ the blunt honesty in my writings.

*smiles and starts singing Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Listen. It isn't that you're christian, it is just that you try to make EVERYONE else christian. You don't see all the islamis, and jews, and hindus, and buddhists tying to convert eveyone, do you? They probably think their religion is the best thing ever, yet they leave you alone! Try following suit!

[The Grim Hamster lord]

ABOLISH MONO-THIESM AND THE OUT-DATED RELIGOUS DOGMA'S CONTROL OVER POLITICS KNOWN AS CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AS "THOSE INVADERS WITH THE SAME GOD AS US!!!!"CHRISTIANITY IS A GAINT, MORIBUND, ROTTING CORPSE OF A RELIGON THAT IS BASED ON HYPOCIRSY! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT TO BELIEVE IN CHIRSTIANITY PREVENTS BELIEF IN RIGHTS OF MAN AND FREE SPEECH!!!!

 

Just my little outburst. Read between the lines to see the true meaning in the message.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*refrains from pointing out typographical errors*

 

Okay, TGHL.

Let's do that. Let's abolish Judaeism, Islam, Christianity, and Bhuddism. Let's promote such fallacies as Hinduism and the Asian philosophies. Let's just try it for three days. Let's see how you do w/out the basic fundamentals of life. All we need to know, we learned in kindergarten: Be nice, put your mess away when you're done making it, and have a warm cookie with a cold glass of milk before taking a nap @ app 3pm. Problem is, that's perfect, and we don't live in Walgreens. (Horatio's seen the commercials, I'm sure. They are hilarious!!!)

 

Then, when we're through tearing the planet up and ruining it with nukes, let's bring back the Truth, the Way, and the Life. Let's bring back what you have so valiantly, though foolishly, fought since before I returned from my vaykay for school. Let's just try it, just for a little while, and see what happens. Yes, there will be much turmoil at first as people refuse to change, as you have, and yes, there will be much suffering as the ones in power stifle voices like mine and like Richard Wurmbrand's. However, once you figure out how to ignore the physical pains and discomforts of this world, shunning them for the sake of your Lord and Master, life gets a lot easier. In fact, since I finally really gave my life over to Christ, things have gone so much better than they were, you wouldn't believe it. I mean, Satan still throws things at me, but I don't dwell on it.

 

Believe me, in a boy-girl relationship, there is an unbelieveable amount of physical temptation, especially w/ Robert. (He's extremely guapo.[span]) Thing is, I've decided to wait. Rob respects that, and so respects himself, as well. Bonus for me, if we do get married. (Which would be fine by me, if we're still together during college and beyond.) There is the added temptations of teen world that our parents really don't understand, and that is the peer pressure to do drugs. Let's be honest here: how many people my mother's age really get the whole deal w/ drugs? More than we think, but how many actually get the visuals we are pommeled with these days? It ain't easy being a Christian in America, as I've said before, but I'm lovin/ it all the more, kiddo!

 

You're a teenager, TGHL, so you can understand those temptations better than say,...mullaypop, and I'm sure your parents have warned you against the dangers of Cannabis and/or heroin. (I hope. It's a terrible mind-warp.) The thoughts remain, though, don't they? I can easily tell you that it's difficult to put the thoughts away, but God helps me. Trust is a powerful thing. I put my trust in you to be a powerful and well-versed opponent when it comes to religious debating. I put my trust in Horatio to be a good mod. I may not like some of the changes he's made recently in some of my posts, but I know it's for the best. I put trust in a lot of places, but none compare to my trust in the Lord to preserve my soul for the ultimate feast. (Which I could use, seeing as how I'm trying to gain weight. )

 

Something else that bothers me what I've seen lately, what the heck is wrong w/ my mind? I'm writing more and more poetry to talk to Robert, becaused he knows I communicate best through singing or writing. (Trust me, the last poem I wrote him threw him back a couple steps. That's a lot, knowing my bf.) Long story short, I scare myself w/ the blunt honesty in my writings.

*smiles and starts singing Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

1) Buddhism does not have a God.

2) Hinduism has only one God, the thousands of representations like Ganeesh and Sheeba are all just aspects of the one same God.

3) By mono-thiesm, I meant mono-thiestic society where only one religon has any political voice, power, wealth etc. etc. Like Christianity.

4) The stuff at the bottom (of the first bit), is universal. Our own decision was to have all those conceptions and ideals.

5) Christianity holds all the nukes (or aces if we turn this into a card game)

This is second paragraph stuff now;

6) And let us bring back all the stuff that the enemy of religon; Science, has prevented; The Black Plague, mud huts, feudalism, a divided Europe, so on and so forth. ANd then let us get rid of all the benefits and side effects too; education for the masses, America (no existance for you!), medicene, understanding of the wider-world, computers, communication, commerce, literacy, TV and radio, electricity, steam power goes too. Non-horse travel goes too and of course so does free speech. What an idyllic world to live in. Unspoilt countryside with commoners die a-couphing and a-spluttering as their infected swellings and pustules brought on by plauge slowly kill them, or if they are unlucky die within 6 days as their lungs get filled with acid caused by the Bubonic Plauge's twin sister, the something tha eludes me plauge. What could be better than a life expectancy of 35 and only a faint hope of going to a place of wonder as it turns out that God doesn't let the dirty folk in, only those who can afford to commit no-sins?

7) Of course you could have tried medicene to help your immune system if it wasn't for the fact you banned them on the grounds that God doesn't want you to live, he wants you to live properly

8) I am going to make a scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day according to the Bible, so go to number whatever at the bottom for that.

Third Paragraph;

9) No actually I don't as I have been rated as; "Least stereotypical teenager" in my school. I conform to no preconcieved ideas. Whereas everyone else is conforming to the stereotypes and being depressed and not coping etc. etc. I am just going on, expanding my literary horizons etc. etc. So I am afraid I wouldn't know. Try someone else in my year who I had the plesent experience of watching them waste away from good student to manically depressed, suicidal madman. Oh sure, I may be despondent, cynical, sarcastic and manically depressed, but is not Marvin? And Marvin is the opposite of a teenager. Oops, this stuff turns out to be 4th paragraph stuff....

10) There is? Usually I derive the pleasure from knowing I am with someone who loves me no matter what, who makes me feel more significant than I actually am and who's tender kiss makes my mind soar with elation and joy, before sending it spiralling into the cloudy world of creativity. Of course, this then turns out to be not true and turns out that the one who used to make your mind soar just went out with you to validate their own existance and for the fun of it, blah blah usual rubbish teenage reasons. Why are so few as mature (I use these words hesitantly as I only call myself this because I seem to have advanced into the late 120s in cumulative evil and cynicism) as me? And the only one who is that I know is more interested in sitting at the back of the Prom with me and making comments about everyone and everything than a relationship at the moment. Actually, come to think of it that's my idea of spending a good time at the Prom, so meh. Maybe later. I also want to point out that Smells like Teen Spirit is rubbish and just symbolises the fact that teenage spirit is the worst kind, like pure alcohol is the worst kind for the liver.

11) What is the point here.... Oh yes. I would like to point out (I don't know your mother's age but I am going to do a general synopsis of mothers aged 30-50. Yes, they do. However, they cannot realise that they have a drug problem! There is no point in lecturing your kid about the evils of Heroin and all other poppy derivitives when you're popping 10 pills into your mouth to get through the day. People say they need Cannabis to get through the day, the people who take all these prescriptions are just as bad. Face life, realise it stinks, the universe is out to get you etc. and get on with your own insignificant life. You cannot start off a drug lecture with; "One moment honey, I need to go take my anti-depressants and then I'll be right back to talk about your drug problem." Stupid.

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12)GO back to point 9.

13) My parents don't need to, they have. Don't need to. I abhor almost everything that could be called a "vice." I haven't even got drunk or swallowed alcohol. I'm a teetotaller for crying out loud. No one else in my year can say that. Medical knowledge just makes you swear never to touch the stuff. Can you imagine a liver after all that drinking? Unfortunately I don't, I saw one on work experience working with the county pathologist for a week! Smoking, no. Not a good idea. I could resurface an entire motorway with one friend's lung. Heroin, Opium etc. Same argument as 11. ANd anyway, what is so relaxing about taking hallucigens? Wow, the ceiling has moulded into a purple cat and is dancing. Nothing relaxing about that and also, you mess up your brain. Take this stuff as a teenager and you are ruined. They destory your brain, proven. Cannabis should not even be medicinal. It is as bad as an A class drug. It is addictive, it is bad for your health and I would rather die than mess up my brain. I will ammend that downgrade from a B to C and take it up to A. All drugs = bad. Even Asprin. Those drugs which are not necessay to take to prevent death or serious pain, are stupid to take. Especially asprin. One argument put forward by Foamy the Squirrel; "And the doctor offers me this, this, this, this and this to cure your runny nose. I say; How about I lie in a darkened room and wait for my natural immune system to take over? Idiot."

Final Paragraph and then scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day;

14) I find it is easier to communicate through other modes of communication than talking. A poem is worth a million words. A line can sear red hot streaks on the mind, twist your emotions and feel anything.

 

SCATHING ATTACK ON GOD;

The argument goes;

On Judgement Day, the dead are reunited with their bodies. Up from ####, down from heaven, sideways from Limbo or what you may know as Purgory. God passes judgement. First flaw; What is the point in judging those who you have already judged? You actual help those in #### by giving them a break. COntuniue. Those who have confessed their sins go to the place to be mentioned soon, those who tried their best but sinned anyway go to the same place, those who were non-Christian but led good lives anyway go to the same place, those who convert to Christianity and say they believe in God follow. Second flaw; This is getting stupid. Lets say I see Judgement day. I see God. He asks me; "Do you believe in me?" What do you think I am going to say? No, because their is no proof? Don't be stupid. Of course there is, the daft bugger is standing in front of me. This effectively gives everyone from Aethiests to Agnostics a chance to get into the new heaven or earth depending on preference, as God just creates these. Third flaw; Why just a new heaven and earth. Was there something wrong with the old heaven? Not the right shade of holy white? And why doesn't #### get a make over? There'd be much more screams if God made personalised #####. So for satanists, make it like Heaven. They'd be really annoyed. For the serial killers make it whatever drove them insane. Ok, so we're about done. And then Satan pops up. And some bright theolgian decides to say Satan doesn't exist and that Satan or the Devil is meerly the absence of God. Devil gets annoyed and smites him. Then he points out that the Bible contradicts itself by saying that the Devil is both the absence of God and the fallen angel Lucifer. The Devil then decides to go onto the New Earth and sell three best selling books; "Where God went wrong?", "Who is this God person anyway?" and after defeating God in a phenomenal display of logic, goes on to make the final book; "And that about wraps it up for God"

 

Try reading all that!

[Horatio]

Try reading all that!

I did!

[- Kat -]

*sigh* I'm gonna regret this. I know I am.

 

All the aethiests I know don't believe in God because they say there is no solid proof. There's the Bible, sure, but that's not good enough for them. To them Christianity is just blind faith.

 

But is there really any good, solid proof that there is no God?

 

Aethiesm is really blind faith, just like Christianity. Yeah, there's evolution. Do you have any actual, reasonable, inarguable proof that God didn't make it happen?

 

I love technology and science. One of my favorite classes is Biology and I spent most of my time on the computer. It's great that we have this new knowledge, and I'm not arguing that it's a lie or anything. I just don't see any actual proof that it isn't there because God made it. Sure, the human race built computers and such, but who decided that they would work the way they do? Science? Sure, but who decided that science would work the way it does? You're beleife, just like ours, is based completely on faith.

 

And as for Grim's Judgement Day talkings, I'ma have to check with my Pastor on a few of those facts...

[Mega Wolf]

Agnostic.

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Oh. Poor you. Yay! More people!

 

No, Paz. What I mean is ancient civilizations.

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Ah. Like Sumer and Indus Valley?

 

er... Zoroastrianism sounds like a fun religion to study! Ahura Madza sounds very interesting! (I studied te ancients in world history last year.)

 

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Sorry I didn't reply to this. Anyways. What makes religions of ancient history wrong and a 2000 year old religion correct?

[lexxscrapham]

my beleif: heaven and #### are the same place. for example: if you're evil, you are cast into a firey pit. good people, on the other hand, end up standing around the mother of all bonfires, with all the hot dogs and s'mores stuff they could ever want.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

And as for Grim's Judgement Day talkings, I'ma have to check with my Pastor on a few of those facts...

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I believe that is the Roman Catholic version who cross the Evanglicist's ressurection belief with the Protestant's immortal soul belief. On Judgement Day you have the earth end. Or rather, Jesus coming down with a "Vote Republican" badge on. Then, I'm just gonna repeat myself aren't I?

 

To the other parts of Kat's talkings; Doesn't that make you Agnostic if you argue though there is no proof of God, there is no evidence to the contrary?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Some interesting figures that should suprise no one about this topic;

 

Who posted in: What religion are you?

Poster Name Number ofPosts

The Grim Hamster lord 256

Toto 172

Horatio 162

Mega Wolf 101

Topazia 80

Arkcher 73

Jesusfreak 72

The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy 54

Taynio 53

Cheesemaster 37

AnimalKidd 25

Kenny Boy 20

lexxscrapham 19

xMyOwnMindx 15

Vlad Tepes 14

silvia 12

[- Kat -]

And as for Grim's Judgement Day talkings, I'ma have to check with my Pastor on a few of those facts...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I believe that is the Roman Catholic version who cross the Evanglicist's ressurection belief with the Protestant's immortal soul belief. On Judgement Day you have the earth end. Or rather, Jesus coming down with a "Vote Republican" badge on. Then, I'm just gonna repeat myself aren't I?

 

To the other parts of Kat's talkings; Doesn't that make you Agnostic if you argue though there is no proof of God, there is no evidence to the contrary?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That depends. Lemme go look up what Agnostic means first.

 

Ah. That would be no. I beleive completely that the Bible is true and that God exists, but all of my friends who are Athiests say that the main reason they don't believe is because they don't don't see the Bible as proof. I do. I was just seeing it from their point of view when I was talking about it as not enough proof for some.

 

And I'm pretty sure that you don't get re-judged. If you're in Heaven, you stay there, and if you're in the other place, you stay there. And I'm also positive that God don't just go "hey do u believe?" then you say "why yes" and God says "k thnx u go 2 heaven lol" He knows more than just what you choose to tell him once there is undeniable proof he exists.

[Topazia]

Listen.  It isn't that you're christian, it is just that you try to make EVERYONE else christian.  You don't see all the islamis, and jews, and hindus, and buddhists tying to convert eveyone, do you?  They probably think their religion is the best thing ever, yet they leave you alone!  Try following suit!

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But I can't sit. In Matthew, Jsus tells us to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all men, baptizing them in my name..." and so on, I forget the rest off hand. I intend on doing so, and I intend to start with Northern England.

 

1) Buddhism does not have a God. yes it does, it's just focused on being at peace so the Buddhist god is out of place. Note the lack of capitalization. If you're going to write something, use correct capitalization!

2) Hinduism has only one God, the thousands of representations like Ganeesh and Sheeba are all just aspects of the one same God.not so. I had to learn a minimal amount in wld hist last year.

3) By mono-thiesm, I meant mono-thiestic society where only one religon has any political voice, power, wealth etc. etc. Like Christianity.No, no, NO! Your misconceptions are aggravating me, TGHL. Especially this week, when I'm ready to kill and there's no chocolate at the house. Agnosticism is taking over, can't you see it?!

4) The stuff at the bottom (of the first bit), is universal. Our own decision was to have all those conceptions and ideals.and who gave us the option? GOD!!

5) Christianity holds all the nukes (or aces if we turn this into a card game)Christianity is about peace, you moron. Even you should know that. (Horatio, if I sound a little evil today, I apologize. I'm in a bad mood, and the misconceptions of a seemingly otherwise brilliat boy are irritating me.)

This is second paragraph stuff now;

6) And let us bring back all the stuff that the enemy of religon; Science, has prevented; The Black Plague, mud huts, feudalism, a divided Europe, so on and so forth. ANd then let us get rid of all the benefits and side effects too; education for the masses, America (no existance for you!), medicene, understanding of the wider-world, computers, communication, commerce, literacy, TV and radio, electricity, steam power goes too. Non-horse travel goes too and of course so does free speech. What an idyllic world to live in. Unspoilt countryside with commoners die a-couphing and a-spluttering as their infected swellings and pustules brought on by plauge slowly kill them, or if they are unlucky die within 6 days as their lungs get filled with acid caused by the Bubonic Plauge's twin sister, the something tha eludes me plauge. What could be better than a life expectancy of 35 and only a faint hope of going to a place of wonder as it turns out that God doesn't let the dirty folk in, only those who can afford to commit no-sins?That's not what I said, TGHL. Medicine is good. Why else would God have let us discover it. You know what I said. You know what I meant, too. What makes you think I want the future you just described? I value what I say I do: honesty, good, and honor. Apparently, you value the speed at which your gratification becomes reality. Instant gratification is for mortals. I'm going to be immortal.

7) Of course you could have tried medicene to help your immune system if it wasn't for the fact you banned them on the grounds that God doesn't want you to live, he wants you to live properlyagain, that's not what I said.

8) I am going to make a scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day according to the Bible, so go to number whatever at the bottom for that.ugh... you disgust me with that threat, because there is no way to make a scathing attack w/out sounding stupid.

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9) No actually I don't as I have been rated as; "Least stereotypical teenager" in my school.really? could've fooled me, buddy! I conform to no preconcieved ideas. COUGH!*Atheists are preconceived idealists.*COUGH!Whereas everyone else is conforming to the stereotypes and being depressed and not coping etc. etc. I am just going on, expanding my literary horizons etc. etc.yeah right. You'e more "normal" than I will ever be. So I am afraid I wouldn't know. Try someone else in my year who I had the plesent experience of watching them waste away from good student to manically depressed, suicidal madman. Oh sure, I may be despondent,no you're not. cynicalnot as much as I was at your age., sarcastic and manically depressedThat's an oxymoron. My BF is manically depressed. You, on the other hand, are NOT bipolar. I am! (Not diagnosed, but I'm worse than Ich.) but is not Marvin? And Marvin is the opposite of a teenager. Oops, this stuff turns out to be 4th paragraph stuff....

10) There is? Usually I derive the pleasure from knowing I am with someone who loves me no matter what, who makes me feel more significant than I actually am and who's tender kiss makes my mind soar with elation and joy,Two people do that to me: Ich, and GOD! Have you ever even given my way a chance? before sending it spiralling into the cloudy world of creativity.Trust me, I know what you mean. You'd be surprised to find out what I know of what you speak of. Of course, this then turns out to be not true and turns out that the one who used to make your mind soar just went out with you to validate their own existance and for the fun of it, blah blah usual rubbish teenage reasons.Been through that more than once. Why are so few as mature (I use these words hesitantly as I only call myself this because I seem to have advanced into the late 120s in cumulative evil and cynicism) as me?You? Mature? No, you're just too old for your age. The only mature 14yrold is my bro--oh, wait, he's 15 now. (oops.) And the only one who is that I know is more interested in sitting at the back of the Prom with me and making comments about everyone and everything than a relationship at the moment. Actually, come to think of it that's my idea of spending a good time at the Prom, so meh.We are very similar. Maybe later. I also want to point out that Smells like Teen Spirit is rubbish and just symbolises the fact that teenage spirit is the worst kind, like pure alcohol is the worst kind for the liver.I almost agree. Could you be more specific?

11) What is the point here.... Oh yes. I would like to point out (I don't know your mother's age but I am going to do a general synopsis of mothers aged 30-50.) Yes, they do. However, they cannot realise that they have a drug problem! There is no point in lecturing your kid about the evils of Heroin and all other poppy derivitives when you're popping 10 pills into your mouth to get through the day.MY MOM DON'T TAKE NO STINKEN PILLS, YOU ASSUMING BRAGGART! Never assume. You'll be wronger than you could know. People say they need Cannabis to get through the day, the people who take all these prescriptions are just as bad. Face life, realise it stinks, the universe is out to get you etc. and get on with your own insignificant life. You cannot start off a drug lecture with; "One moment honey, I need to go take my anti-depressants and then I'll be right back to talk about your drug problem." Stupid.see the caps lock just above.

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12)GO back to point 9.

13) My parents don't need to, they have. Don't need to. I abhor almost everything that could be called a "vice." I haven't even got drunk or swallowed alcohol. I'm a teetotallera what? for crying out loud. No one else in my year can say that. Medical knowledge just makes you swear never to touch the stuff. Can you imagine a liver after all that drinking? Unfortunately I don't, I saw one on work experience working with the county pathologist for a week! Smoking, no. Not a good idea. I could resurface an entire motorway with one friend's lung. Heroin, Opium etc. Same argument as 11. ANd anyway, what is so relaxing about taking hallucigens? Wow, the ceiling has moulded into a purple cat and is dancing. Nothing relaxing about that and also, you mess up your brain. Take this stuff as a teenager and you are ruined. They destory your brain, proven. Cannabis should not even be medicinal. It is as bad as an A class drug. It is addictive, it is bad for your health and I would rather die than mess up my brain. I will ammend that downgrade from a B to C and take it up to A.We agree on this. All drugs = bad. Even Asprin. Those drugs which are not necessay to take to prevent death or serious pain, are stupid to take. Especially asprin.Now, I have to disagree. Some pills (PMS in particular) make life easier for everyone. Aspirin is a BP reducer. If my Da didn't take it, he could have a stroke! I don't want that! Yes, some ppl are allergic to Aspirin, but there's Acetominephin, the substitute. Trust me, if I wasn't enjoying the Aceto I have in me right now, I'd be very upset. My back has been bothering me lately. One argument put forward by Foamy the Squirrel; "And the doctor offers me this, this, this, this and this to cure your runny nose. I say; How about I lie in a darkened room and wait for my natural immune system to take over? Idiot."

Final Paragraph and then scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day;

14) I find it is easier to communicate through other modes of communication than talking. A poem is worth a million words. A line can sear red hot streaks on the mind, twist your emotions and feel anything.Alas, we are so similar. It is a shame we live 3k miles apart, for I would love to meet someone so mentally synonymous to myself, even beside the fact we are at odds religiously.

 

SCATHING ATTACK ON GOD;

The argument goes;

On Judgement Day, the dead are reunited with their bodies. Up from ####, down from heaven, sideways from Limbo or what you may know as Purgory. God passes judgement. First flaw; What is the point in judging those who you have already judged? You actual help those in #### by giving them a break. COntuniue. Those who have confessed their sins go to the place to be mentioned soon, those who tried their best but sinned anyway go to the same place, those who were non-Christian but led good lives anyway go to the same place, those who convert to Christianity and say they believe in God follow. Second flaw; This is getting stupid. Lets say I see Judgement day. I see God. He asks me; "Do you believe in me?" What do you think I am going to say? No, because their is no proof? Don't be stupid. Of course there is, the daft bugger is standing in front of me. This effectively gives everyone from Aethiests to Agnostics a chance to get into the new heaven or earth depending on preference, as God just creates these. Third flaw; Why just a new heaven and earth. Was there something wrong with the old heaven? Not the right shade of holy white? And why doesn't #### get a make over? There'd be much more screams if God made personalised #####. So for satanists, make it like Heaven. They'd be really annoyed. For the serial killers make it whatever drove them insane. Ok, so we're about done. And then Satan pops up. And some bright theolgian decides to say Satan doesn't exist and that Satan or the Devil is meerly the absence of God. Devil gets annoyed and smites him. Then he points out that the Bible contradicts itself by saying that the Devil is both the absence of God and the fallen angel Lucifer. The Devil then decides to go onto the New Earth and sell three best selling books; "Where God went wrong?", "Who is this God person anyway?" and after defeating God in a phenomenal display of logic, goes on to make the final book; "And that about wraps it up for God"

 

Try reading all that!I did. And you're an assuming, confused, arrogant kid who doesn't know what he's talking about! I'd break it down better for you, but it would take too long.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I did it the easy way. See the red print.

 

*sigh* I'm gonna regret this. I know I am.

 

All the aethiests I know don't believe in God because they say there is no solid proof. There's the Bible, sure, but that's not good enough for them. To them Christianity is just blind faith.

 

But is there really any good, solid proof that there is no God?

 

Aethiesm is really blind faith, just like Christianity. Yeah, there's evolution. Do you have any actual, reasonable, inarguable proof that God didn't make it happen?

 

I love technology and science. One of my favorite classes is Biology and I spent most of my time on the computer. It's great that we have this new knowledge, and I'm not arguing that it's a lie or anything. I just don't see any actual proof that it isn't there because God made it. Sure, the human race built computers and such, but who decided that they would work the way they do? Science? Sure, but who decided that science would work the way it does? You're beleife, just like ours, is based completely on faith.

 

And as for Grim's Judgement Day talkings, I'ma have to check with my Pastor on a few of those facts...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My sentiments exactly.

 

What makes religions of ancient history wrong and a 2000 year old religion correct?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because no other religion clearly states that it is the only true Way to Live eternally.

 

my beleif: heaven and #### are the same place. for example: if you're evil, you are cast into a firey pit. good people, on the other hand, end up standing around the mother of all bonfires, with all the hot dogs and s'mores stuff they could ever want.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Interesting concept.

 

I believe that is the Roman Catholic version who cross the Evanglicist's ressurection belief with the Protestant's immortal soul belief. On Judgement Day you have the earth end. Or rather, Jesus coming down with a "Vote Republican" badge on. Then, I'm just gonna repeat myself aren't I?

 

To the other parts of Kat's talkings; Doesn't that make you Agnostic if you argue though there is no proof of God, there is no evidence to the contrary?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, it doesn't, she brought up a very good point. Where is the proof that God doesn't exist? By very definition, God cannot be proven existent or nonexistent, so we go on blind faith and by what we know from the ancient writings. I take that back, Athgeists have more blind faith tan Christians do, because there are no ancient writings saying there is no God, and we are mere chance. That theory came up only recently! Try that on for size.

[Topazia]

Listen.  It isn't that you're christian, it is just that you try to make EVERYONE else christian.  You don't see all the islamis, and jews, and hindus, and buddhists tying to convert eveyone, do you?  They probably think their religion is the best thing ever, yet they leave you alone!  Try following suit!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But I can't sit. In Matthew, Jsus tells us to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all men, baptizing them in my name..." and so on, I forget the rest off hand. I intend on doing so, and I intend to start with Northern England.

 

1) Buddhism does not have a God. yes it does, it's just focused on being at peace so the Buddhist god is out of place. Note the lack of capitalization. If you're going to write something, use correct capitalization!

2) Hinduism has only one God, the thousands of representations like Ganeesh and Sheeba are all just aspects of the one same God.not so. I had to learn a minimal amount in wld hist last year.

3) By mono-thiesm, I meant mono-thiestic society where only one religon has any political voice, power, wealth etc. etc. Like Christianity.No, no, NO! Your misconceptions are aggravating me, TGHL. Especially this week, when I'm ready to kill and there's no chocolate at the house. Agnosticism is taking over, can't you see it?!

4) The stuff at the bottom (of the first bit), is universal. Our own decision was to have all those conceptions and ideals.and who gave us the option? GOD!!

5) Christianity holds all the nukes (or aces if we turn this into a card game)Christianity is about peace, you moron. Even you should know that. (Horatio, if I sound a little evil today, I apologize. I'm in a bad mood, and the misconceptions of a seemingly otherwise brilliat boy are irritating me.)

This is second paragraph stuff now;

6) And let us bring back all the stuff that the enemy of religon; Science, has prevented; The Black Plague, mud huts, feudalism, a divided Europe, so on and so forth. ANd then let us get rid of all the benefits and side effects too; education for the masses, America (no existance for you!), medicene, understanding of the wider-world, computers, communication, commerce, literacy, TV and radio, electricity, steam power goes too. Non-horse travel goes too and of course so does free speech. What an idyllic world to live in. Unspoilt countryside with commoners die a-couphing and a-spluttering as their infected swellings and pustules brought on by plauge slowly kill them, or if they are unlucky die within 6 days as their lungs get filled with acid caused by the Bubonic Plauge's twin sister, the something tha eludes me plauge. What could be better than a life expectancy of 35 and only a faint hope of going to a place of wonder as it turns out that God doesn't let the dirty folk in, only those who can afford to commit no-sins?That's not what I said, TGHL. Medicine is good. Why else would God have let us discover it. You know what I said. You know what I meant, too. What makes you think I want the future you just described? I value what I say I do: honesty, good, and honor. Apparently, you value the speed at which your gratification becomes reality. Instant gratification is for mortals. I'm going to be immortal.

7) Of course you could have tried medicene to help your immune system if it wasn't for the fact you banned them on the grounds that God doesn't want you to live, he wants you to live properlyagain, that's not what I said.

8) I am going to make a scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day according to the Bible, so go to number whatever at the bottom for that.ugh... you disgust me with that threat, because there is no way to make a scathing attack w/out sounding stupid.

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9) No actually I don't as I have been rated as; "Least stereotypical teenager" in my school.really? could've fooled me, buddy! I conform to no preconcieved ideas. COUGH!*Atheists are preconceived idealists.*COUGH!Whereas everyone else is conforming to the stereotypes and being depressed and not coping etc. etc. I am just going on, expanding my literary horizons etc. etc.yeah right. You'e more "normal" than I will ever be. So I am afraid I wouldn't know. Try someone else in my year who I had the plesent experience of watching them waste away from good student to manically depressed, suicidal madman. Oh sure, I may be despondent,no you're not. cynicalnot as much as I was at your age., sarcastic and manically depressedThat's an oxymoron. My BF is manically depressed. You, on the other hand, are NOT bipolar. I am! (Not diagnosed, but I'm worse than Ich.) but is not Marvin? And Marvin is the opposite of a teenager. Oops, this stuff turns out to be 4th paragraph stuff....

10) There is? Usually I derive the pleasure from knowing I am with someone who loves me no matter what, who makes me feel more significant than I actually am and who's tender kiss makes my mind soar with elation and joy,Two people do that to me: Ich, and GOD! Have you ever even given my way a chance? before sending it spiralling into the cloudy world of creativity.Trust me, I know what you mean. You'd be surprised to find out what I know of what you speak of. Of course, this then turns out to be not true and turns out that the one who used to make your mind soar just went out with you to validate their own existance and for the fun of it, blah blah usual rubbish teenage reasons.Been through that more than once. Why are so few as mature (I use these words hesitantly as I only call myself this because I seem to have advanced into the late 120s in cumulative evil and cynicism) as me?You? Mature? No, you're just too old for your age. The only mature 14yrold is my bro--oh, wait, he's 15 now. (oops.) And the only one who is that I know is more interested in sitting at the back of the Prom with me and making comments about everyone and everything than a relationship at the moment. Actually, come to think of it that's my idea of spending a good time at the Prom, so meh.We are very similar. Maybe later. I also want to point out that Smells like Teen Spirit is rubbish and just symbolises the fact that teenage spirit is the worst kind, like pure alcohol is the worst kind for the liver.I almost agree. Could you be more specific?

11) What is the point here.... Oh yes. I would like to point out (I don't know your mother's age but I am going to do a general synopsis of mothers aged 30-50.) Yes, they do. However, they cannot realise that they have a drug problem! There is no point in lecturing your kid about the evils of Heroin and all other poppy derivitives when you're popping 10 pills into your mouth to get through the day.MY MOM DON'T TAKE NO STINKEN PILLS, YOU ASSUMING BRAGGART! Never assume. You'll be wronger than you could know. People say they need Cannabis to get through the day, the people who take all these prescriptions are just as bad. Face life, realise it stinks, the universe is out to get you etc. and get on with your own insignificant life. You cannot start off a drug lecture with; "One moment honey, I need to go take my anti-depressants and then I'll be right back to talk about your drug problem." Stupid.see the caps lock just above.

Fourth Paragraph;

12)GO back to point 9.

13) My parents don't need to, they have. Don't need to. I abhor almost everything that could be called a "vice." I haven't even got drunk or swallowed alcohol. I'm a teetotallera what? for crying out loud. No one else in my year can say that. Medical knowledge just makes you swear never to touch the stuff. Can you imagine a liver after all that drinking? Unfortunately I don't, I saw one on work experience working with the county pathologist for a week! Smoking, no. Not a good idea. I could resurface an entire motorway with one friend's lung. Heroin, Opium etc. Same argument as 11. ANd anyway, what is so relaxing about taking hallucigens? Wow, the ceiling has moulded into a purple cat and is dancing. Nothing relaxing about that and also, you mess up your brain. Take this stuff as a teenager and you are ruined. They destory your brain, proven. Cannabis should not even be medicinal. It is as bad as an A class drug. It is addictive, it is bad for your health and I would rather die than mess up my brain. I will ammend that downgrade from a B to C and take it up to A.We agree on this. All drugs = bad. Even Asprin. Those drugs which are not necessay to take to prevent death or serious pain, are stupid to take. Especially asprin.Now, I have to disagree. Some pills (PMS in particular) make life easier for everyone. Aspirin is a BP reducer. If my Da didn't take it, he could have a stroke! I don't want that! Yes, some ppl are allergic to Aspirin, but there's Acetominephin, the substitute. Trust me, if I wasn't enjoying the Aceto I have in me right now, I'd be very upset. My back has been bothering me lately. One argument put forward by Foamy the Squirrel; "And the doctor offers me this, this, this, this and this to cure your runny nose. I say; How about I lie in a darkened room and wait for my natural immune system to take over? Idiot."

Final Paragraph and then scathing attack on God based on Judgement Day;

14) I find it is easier to communicate through other modes of communication than talking. A poem is worth a million words. A line can sear red hot streaks on the mind, twist your emotions and feel anything.Alas, we are so similar. It is a shame we live 3k miles apart, for I would love to meet someone so mentally synonymous to myself, even beside the fact we are at odds religiously.

 

SCATHING ATTACK ON GOD;

The argument goes;

On Judgement Day, the dead are reunited with their bodies. Up from ####, down from heaven, sideways from Limbo or what you may know as Purgory. God passes judgement. First flaw; What is the point in judging those who you have already judged? You actual help those in #### by giving them a break. COntuniue. Those who have confessed their sins go to the place to be mentioned soon, those who tried their best but sinned anyway go to the same place, those who were non-Christian but led good lives anyway go to the same place, those who convert to Christianity and say they believe in God follow. Second flaw; This is getting stupid. Lets say I see Judgement day. I see God. He asks me; "Do you believe in me?" What do you think I am going to say? No, because their is no proof? Don't be stupid. Of course there is, the daft bugger is standing in front of me. This effectively gives everyone from Aethiests to Agnostics a chance to get into the new heaven or earth depending on preference, as God just creates these. Third flaw; Why just a new heaven and earth. Was there something wrong with the old heaven? Not the right shade of holy white? And why doesn't #### get a make over? There'd be much more screams if God made personalised #####. So for satanists, make it like Heaven. They'd be really annoyed. For the serial killers make it whatever drove them insane. Ok, so we're about done. And then Satan pops up. And some bright theolgian decides to say Satan doesn't exist and that Satan or the Devil is meerly the absence of God. Devil gets annoyed and smites him. Then he points out that the Bible contradicts itself by saying that the Devil is both the absence of God and the fallen angel Lucifer. The Devil then decides to go onto the New Earth and sell three best selling books; "Where God went wrong?", "Who is this God person anyway?" and after defeating God in a phenomenal display of logic, goes on to make the final book; "And that about wraps it up for God"

 

Try reading all that!I did. And you're an assuming, confused, arrogant kid who doesn't know what he's talking about! I'd break it down better for you, but it would take too long.

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I did it the easy way. See the red print.

 

*sigh* I'm gonna regret this. I know I am.

 

All the aethiests I know don't believe in God because they say there is no solid proof. There's the Bible, sure, but that's not good enough for them. To them Christianity is just blind faith.

 

But is there really any good, solid proof that there is no God?

 

Aethiesm is really blind faith, just like Christianity. Yeah, there's evolution. Do you have any actual, reasonable, inarguable proof that God didn't make it happen?

 

I love technology and science. One of my favorite classes is Biology and I spent most of my time on the computer. It's great that we have this new knowledge, and I'm not arguing that it's a lie or anything. I just don't see any actual proof that it isn't there because God made it. Sure, the human race built computers and such, but who decided that they would work the way they do? Science? Sure, but who decided that science would work the way it does? You're beleife, just like ours, is based completely on faith.

 

And as for Grim's Judgement Day talkings, I'ma have to check with my Pastor on a few of those facts...

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My sentiments exactly.

 

What makes religions of ancient history wrong and a 2000 year old religion correct?

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Because no other religion clearly states that it is the only true Way to Live eternally.

 

my beleif: heaven and #### are the same place. for example: if you're evil, you are cast into a firey pit. good people, on the other hand, end up standing around the mother of all bonfires, with all the hot dogs and s'mores stuff they could ever want.

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Interesting concept.

 

I believe that is the Roman Catholic version who cross the Evanglicist's ressurection belief with the Protestant's immortal soul belief. On Judgement Day you have the earth end. Or rather, Jesus coming down with a "Vote Republican" badge on. Then, I'm just gonna repeat myself aren't I?

 

To the other parts of Kat's talkings; Doesn't that make you Agnostic if you argue though there is no proof of God, there is no evidence to the contrary?

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No, it doesn't, she brought up a very good point. Where is the proof that God doesn't exist? By very definition, God cannot be proven existent or nonexistent, so we go on blind faith and by what we know from the ancient writings. I take that back, Athgeists have more blind faith tan Christians do, because there are no ancient writings saying there is no God, and we are mere chance. That theory came up only recently! Try that on for size.

[Mega Wolf]

Ah, but Paz, what if we as humans cannot achieve eternal life, heaven or Earth or any other place? And why don't we let people die if heaven is so great?

[Mega Wolf]

Some interesting figures that should suprise no one about this topic;

 

Who posted in: What religion are you?

Poster Name  Number ofPosts

The Grim Hamster lord  256

Toto  172

Horatio  162

Mega Wolf  101

Topazia  80

Arkcher  73

Jesusfreak  72

The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy  54

Taynio  53

Cheesemaster  37

AnimalKidd  25

Kenny Boy  20

lexxscrapham  19

xMyOwnMindx  15

Vlad Tepes  14

silvia  12

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Where did you find this information? And this is quite possibly the topic that holds the most posts I've ever posted in one topic.

[Horatio]

Some interesting figures that should suprise no one about this topic;

 

Who posted in: What religion are you?

Poster Name  Number ofPosts

The Grim Hamster lord  256

Toto  172

Horatio  162

Mega Wolf  101

Topazia  80

Arkcher  73

Jesusfreak  72

The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy  54

Taynio  53

Cheesemaster  37

AnimalKidd  25

Kenny Boy  20

lexxscrapham  19

xMyOwnMindx  15

Vlad Tepes  14

silvia  12

Where did you find this information? And this is quite possibly the topic that holds the most posts I've ever posted in one topic.

Click on the number of posts to the right of the topic. The column sort of in the center of the page. A pop-up screen will show this information.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Some interesting figures that should suprise no one about this topic;

 

Who posted in: What religion are you?

Poster Name  Number ofPosts

The Grim Hamster lord  256

Toto  172

Horatio  162

Mega Wolf  101

Topazia  80

Arkcher  73

Jesusfreak  72

The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy  54

Taynio  53

Cheesemaster  37

AnimalKidd  25

Kenny Boy  20

lexxscrapham  19

xMyOwnMindx  15

Vlad Tepes  14

silvia  12

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Where did you find this information? And this is quite possibly the topic that holds the most posts I've ever posted in one topic.

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Just go to the Music forum and click on the number of posts in this topic thingy.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Message to Topazia; You really were annoyed weren't you?

1) You have failed to understand me completely if you feel I am normal or conform to any conceptualist ideal of normality. I have disappointed if you do you feel I am normal. Very disappointed.

2) I never said you mother took pills, I was making a statement based on observation of people.

3) I just really don't want to respond to a post that was made as a way of venting anger.

[- Kat -]

Ah, but Paz, what if we as humans cannot achieve eternal life, heaven or Earth or any other place? And why don't we let people die if heaven is so great?

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Because humans arent' perfect and we can be selfish. We don't want people to die because we want them here with us. When my Uncle Roger had a brain tumor, I knew that he was in a lot of pain, and that Heaven would allow him to escape all of it, but I still wanted him with me.

[- Kat -]

I'd also like to point out that if there weren't basic Christian beliefs, like "Don't run around killing each other without a reason", we would not have things like computers and medicine because everyone would be dead.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I have decided that if God exists he has 666 interchangable heads, each one the one of the world's top 666 most evil people, with Magraet Thatcher as the main, non-changeable evil boss head. And also that the second coming of Jesus has come and gone, it ended in a bunker in Berlin 1945 and began in the Austrian town of Braunau-am-Inn in 1887 (or something like that).

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Another note to Topazia;

Christianity is not peace loving, it claims to be. Isn't. That's why Christianity holds all the nukes. Like I said. And don't give me that self-defence rubbish, I've heard it from Bush enough times already and both you and I know, its a load of rubbish. AND Christianity has been the root of most wars. AND its a hyporiscy. Claiming it is peace loving and then setting fire to Muslims. What kind of religon is that? A hypocrtical one.

Also;

NO BUDDHIST GOD

ONE HINDU GOD WITH MULTIPLE ASPECTS, WHICH COULD BE CALLED GODS AND GODESSES BUT ARE ULTIMATELY JUST SMALL PARTS OF A BIGGER THING, LIKE US.

AND WHY DIDN'T GOD GIVE US ALL THAT (MEDICENE ETC.) FROM THE START?

And do not dispute with me about the Hinduism and Buddhism stuff, I did it for my coursework and I got the top mark and you can't do that by getting things wrong. I also had to do them both for 3 years. I have probably covered each one for a year cumulatively, so do not tell me what is right and wrong about those. Unless you really want to search through their scriptures just to make a point. The Polytheism thing about Hinduism is just an outside conception which is wrong.

[Cheesus]

I'd also like to point out that if there weren't basic Christian beliefs, like "Don't run around killing each other without a reason", we would not have things like computers and medicine because everyone would be dead.

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Do you think Christianity is the only religion like that? Do you picture all other religions as barbarous and bloodthirsty?

[- Kat -]

I'd also like to point out that if there weren't basic Christian beliefs, like "Don't run around killing each other without a reason", we would not have things like computers and medicine because everyone would be dead.

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Do you think Christianity is the only religion like that? Do you picture all other religions as barbarous and bloodthirsty?

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Nope. I know tons of people from other religions that aren't bloodthirty cads. But some governments are based on Christianity because that was the main religion when they were formed.

[Toto]

Another note to Topazia;

Christianity is not peace loving, it claims to be. Isn't. That's why Christianity holds all the nukes. Like I said. And don't give me that self-defence rubbish, I've heard it from Bush enough times already and both you and I know, its a load of rubbish. AND Christianity has been the root of most wars. AND its a hyporiscy. Claiming it is peace loving and then setting fire to Muslims. What kind of religon is that? A hypocrtical one.

Also;

NO BUDDHIST GOD

ONE HINDU GOD WITH MULTIPLE ASPECTS, WHICH COULD BE CALLED GODS AND GODESSES BUT ARE ULTIMATELY JUST SMALL PARTS OF A BIGGER THING, LIKE US.

AND WHY DIDN'T GOD GIVE US ALL THAT (MEDICENE ETC.) FROM THE START?

And do not dispute with me about the Hinduism and Buddhism stuff, I did it for my coursework and I got the top mark and you can't do that by getting things wrong. I also had to do them both for 3 years. I have probably covered each one for a year cumulatively, so do not tell me what is right and wrong about those. Unless you really want to search through their scriptures just to make a point. The Polytheism thing about Hinduism is just an outside conception which is wrong.

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You've probably heard it a billion times. So I'm not going to bother anymore.

 

You can always say, "WELL. WHY DID GOD JUST LET US ALL LIVE IN HEAVEN?" Or something of the sort. And I'll be frank. You're never going to understand anything if you don't have an open mind towards the topic. You can't always go by what other people in your country say or believe. We all have the freedom of our own opinion.

 

I'm not sure what made you this way. All negative and such, trying to take down something that's bigger than you. Bigger than all of us.

Can't you see? None of that matters. We live in a world that is always living, dying, and changing. People choose a path for themselves, or choose the one others have taken. What ever you do is up to you, and no one can force you to believe something you don't want to.

 

You never think, "Hey. I'm really here. I'm really real. This is a real life."?

 

Everything has a purpose. And what is that purpose? That's for you to decide. Search the stars, the fossils, science books. You're not going to find the answers you want. Because the answers aren't in science books or books by Charles Darwin.

 

But, sadly. I can't make you believe what I believe. Again, that's your choice.

 

Are you debating to win the argument, or really prove something?

Get your priorities straight before you start controling others.

 

When you read about Buddha, or any of the gods or goddesses, you never see he or she capitalized, do you? Gods and goddesses aren't even capitalized unless the word is at the beginning of a sentence. But God is always capitalized. He is always capitalized. It's a way of showing respect.

 

I admit, TGHL. You are very smart, but you turn to philosophers and the people that think they have the answers in the world. Your flaw is that you're not thinking for yourself. You're letting the world control you. The world can't be your master. Philosophers aren't always going to be right. You can't go to a science book to find out about King George. We have no evidence that he was ever alive. If you go to a history book, though, you'll surely find that he was once alive.

 

We walk by faith, and not by sight.

 

As the admirable Leonardo da Vinci said, "You do ill if you praise, but worse if you censure, what you do not understand. "

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Another note to Topazia;

Christianity is not peace loving, it claims to be. Isn't. That's why Christianity holds all the nukes. Like I said. And don't give me that self-defence rubbish, I've heard it from Bush enough times already and both you and I know, its a load of rubbish. AND Christianity has been the root of most wars. AND its a hyporiscy. Claiming it is peace loving and then setting fire to Muslims. What kind of religon is that? A hypocrtical one.

Also;

NO BUDDHIST GOD

ONE HINDU GOD WITH MULTIPLE ASPECTS, WHICH COULD BE CALLED GODS AND GODESSES BUT ARE ULTIMATELY JUST SMALL PARTS OF A BIGGER THING, LIKE US.

AND WHY DIDN'T GOD GIVE US ALL THAT (MEDICENE ETC.) FROM THE START?

And do not dispute with me about the Hinduism and Buddhism stuff, I did it for my coursework and I got the top mark and you can't do that by getting things wrong. I also had to do them both for 3 years. I have probably covered each one for a year cumulatively, so do not tell me what is right and wrong about those. Unless you really want to search through their scriptures just to make a point. The Polytheism thing about Hinduism is just an outside conception which is wrong.

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As the admirable Leonardo da Vinci said, "You do ill if you praise, but worse if you censure, what you do not understand. "

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Of course the problem with that is what Leonardo Da Vinci also said about Christianity and all other religons. Its in my siggy. Leonardo was such an enigmatic person.