What religion are you?

[Mega Wolf]

BEFORE READING THIS, CLEAR YOUR MIND OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, COME WITH AN OPEN MIND IN OTHER WORDS!

 

 

God exists if you want him to.

 

I believe whatever you believe the after-life is like, THAT will be YOUR after-life.

 

I believe that every god exists because I do not try to denounce anyone. I just only follow one of the many gods who aren't "God". Mine has a name called... well... I will not put it on here for you people will go off.

 

If God does exists then he is the same god as I believe in. Only in a different persona. My "God" (not the christian god)created everything but left humans to fend for themselves. He doesn't like to interfere with mortals. However, he did leave special "powers" or magick if you will, with certain humans, objects, and places. That is as far as his extent to mortals.

(I need to stop converting to different religions BTW)

 

The Christian God caught on so quick after people started doing missionary things because the idea was just so wonderful. He would take you are as you are(Excluding the evil), and all you had to do to go to this wonderful place called heaven was believe in him (before jesus) and believe all the Jesus stuff after he died. You could also heal the weak, cure the sick, cast out demons, and etc.

 

Here is a problem though. I too can heal the weak, cure the sick, and cast out what you call demons. But I do this by magick. Not the all fancified magick from Harry Potter, the kind hollywood uses, and etc. No wands, candles, chants, (well candles sometimes yes), and all that mumbo jumbo. I do it by simply sticking my hand out and allowing the energy around me to do what I want, and in some cases forcing it. I have made wind inside enclosed areas, I have made fire appear and disappear, I have also made things levitate.

 

 

It is said God created the world in seven days. Why seven days for such an omnipotent God? They say because of our days and the day he rested is supposed to be our day. But many people fail to realize that our "7th" day only came up recently after the modern calendar was created. So that little part is false. Another flaw in christianity. Heaven- a new body is what it means for you. To me and according to the definition it is reincarnation. Enough said about that.

 

About 30 years of Jesus's life is cut off from the bible. What happend?

What about christianity before Jesus? Sure we know they just believed in God, but how come nothing is known about it?

How come other religions seems to be older than the belief in the christian god?

 

DO NOT take this as a "Shot" as christianity. This is NOT!

I am merely restating points I have made in the years I have posted in the religion topic here.

 

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

Ah, very good, very good. As usual, Taynio makes the best points of the topic.

 

You can use magick? I know this is a strange and somewhat off topic question, but how do you manage to do this?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

Scientologists are those Hollywood crazy people who are neither Christian or scientists, they believe in crazy stuff like little hobgoblins sucking off your soul and the only way to prevent this is by giving money to the leader. I can certainly prove you are made up of atoms and such, I could also proove the existance of the anti-God particles of Anti-Matter. I'm not saying science has all the answers, it just offers the most logical and reasonable explanation and no doubt as the years go by more will be explained.

[Cheesus]

BEFORE READING THIS, CLEAR YOUR MIND OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, COME WITH AN OPEN MIND IN OTHER WORDS!

 

 

God exists if you want him to.

 

I believe whatever you believe the after-life is like, THAT will be YOUR after-life.

 

I believe that every god exists because I do not try to denounce anyone. I just only follow one of the many gods who aren't "God". Mine has a name called... well... I will not put it on here for you people will go off.

 

If God does exists then he is the same god as I believe in. Only in a different persona. My "God" (not the christian god)created everything but left humans to fend for themselves. He doesn't like to interfere with mortals. However, he did leave special "powers" or magick if you will, with certain humans, objects, and places. That is as far as his extent to mortals.

(I need to stop converting to different religions BTW)

 

The Christian God caught on so quick after people started doing missionary things because the idea was just so wonderful. He would take you are as you are(Excluding the evil), and all you had to do to go to this wonderful place called heaven was believe in him (before jesus) and believe all the Jesus stuff after he died. You could also heal the weak, cure the sick, cast out demons, and etc.

 

Here is a problem though. I too can heal the weak, cure the sick, and cast out what you call demons. But I do this by magick. Not the all fancified magick from Harry Potter, the kind hollywood uses, and etc. No wands, candles, chants, (well candles sometimes yes), and all that mumbo jumbo. I do it by simply sticking my hand out and allowing the energy around me to do what I want, and in some cases forcing it. I have made wind inside enclosed areas, I have made fire appear and disappear, I have also made things levitate.

 

 

It is said God created the world in seven days. Why seven days for such an omnipotent God? They say because of our days and the day he rested is supposed to be our day. But many people fail to realize that our "7th" day only came up recently after the modern calendar was created. So that little part is false. Another flaw in christianity. Heaven- a new body is what it means for you. To me and according to the definition it is reincarnation. Enough said about that.

 

About 30 years of Jesus's life is cut off from the bible. What happend?

What about christianity before Jesus? Sure we know they just believed in God, but how come nothing is known about it?

How come other religions seems to be older than the belief in the christian god?

 

DO NOT take this as a "Shot" as christianity. This is NOT!

I am merely restating points I have made in the years I have posted in the religion topic here.

 

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

Ah, very good, very good. As usual, Taynio makes the best points of the topic.

 

You can use magick? I know this is a strange and somewhat off topic question, but how do you manage to do this?

i wish to know how to do magick.

[Horatio]

BEFORE READING THIS, CLEAR YOUR MIND OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, COME WITH AN OPEN MIND IN OTHER WORDS!

 

 

God exists if you want him to.

 

I believe whatever you believe the after-life is like, THAT will be YOUR after-life.

 

I believe that every god exists because I do not try to denounce anyone. I just only follow one of the many gods who aren't "God". Mine has a name called... well... I will not put it on here for you people will go off.

 

If God does exists then he is the same god as I believe in. Only in a different persona. My "God" (not the christian god)created everything but left humans to fend for themselves. He doesn't like to interfere with mortals. However, he did leave special "powers" or magick if you will, with certain humans, objects, and places. That is as far as his extent to mortals.

(I need to stop converting to different religions BTW)

 

The Christian God caught on so quick after people started doing missionary things because the idea was just so wonderful. He would take you are as you are(Excluding the evil), and all you had to do to go to this wonderful place called heaven was believe in him (before jesus) and believe all the Jesus stuff after he died. You could also heal the weak, cure the sick, cast out demons, and etc.

 

Here is a problem though. I too can heal the weak, cure the sick, and cast out what you call demons. But I do this by magick. Not the all fancified magick from Harry Potter, the kind hollywood uses, and etc. No wands, candles, chants, (well candles sometimes yes), and all that mumbo jumbo. I do it by simply sticking my hand out and allowing the energy around me to do what I want, and in some cases forcing it. I have made wind inside enclosed areas, I have made fire appear and disappear, I have also made things levitate.

 

 

It is said God created the world in seven days. Why seven days for such an omnipotent God? They say because of our days and the day he rested is supposed to be our day. But many people fail to realize that our "7th" day only came up recently after the modern calendar was created. So that little part is false. Another flaw in christianity. Heaven- a new body is what it means for you. To me and according to the definition it is reincarnation. Enough said about that.

 

About 30 years of Jesus's life is cut off from the bible. What happend?

What about christianity before Jesus? Sure we know they just believed in God, but how come nothing is known about it?

How come other religions seems to be older than the belief in the christian god?

 

DO NOT take this as a "Shot" as christianity. This is NOT!

I am merely restating points I have made in the years I have posted in the religion topic here.

 

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

Ah, very good, very good. As usual, Taynio makes the best points of the topic.

 

You can use magick? I know this is a strange and somewhat off topic question, but how do you manage to do this?

i wish to know how to do magick.

So do I !

[Mushroom_king]

BEFORE READING THIS, CLEAR YOUR MIND OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, COME WITH AN OPEN MIND IN OTHER WORDS!

 

 

God exists if you want him to.

 

I believe whatever you believe the after-life is like, THAT will be YOUR after-life.

 

I believe that every god exists because I do not try to denounce anyone. I just only follow one of the many gods who aren't "God". Mine has a name called... well... I will not put it on here for you people will go off.

 

If God does exists then he is the same god as I believe in. Only in a different persona. My "God" (not the christian god)created everything but left humans to fend for themselves. He doesn't like to interfere with mortals. However, he did leave special "powers" or magick if you will, with certain humans, objects, and places. That is as far as his extent to mortals.

(I need to stop converting to different religions BTW)

 

The Christian God caught on so quick after people started doing missionary things because the idea was just so wonderful. He would take you are as you are(Excluding the evil), and all you had to do to go to this wonderful place called heaven was believe in him (before jesus) and believe all the Jesus stuff after he died. You could also heal the weak, cure the sick, cast out demons, and etc.

 

Here is a problem though. I too can heal the weak, cure the sick, and cast out what you call demons. But I do this by magick. Not the all fancified magick from Harry Potter, the kind hollywood uses, and etc. No wands, candles, chants, (well candles sometimes yes), and all that mumbo jumbo. I do it by simply sticking my hand out and allowing the energy around me to do what I want, and in some cases forcing it. I have made wind inside enclosed areas, I have made fire appear and disappear, I have also made things levitate.

 

 

It is said God created the world in seven days. Why seven days for such an omnipotent God? They say because of our days and the day he rested is supposed to be our day. But many people fail to realize that our "7th" day only came up recently after the modern calendar was created. So that little part is false. Another flaw in christianity. Heaven- a new body is what it means for you. To me and according to the definition it is reincarnation. Enough said about that.

 

About 30 years of Jesus's life is cut off from the bible. What happend?

What about christianity before Jesus? Sure we know they just believed in God, but how come nothing is known about it?

How come other religions seems to be older than the belief in the christian god?

 

DO NOT take this as a "Shot" as christianity. This is NOT!

I am merely restating points I have made in the years I have posted in the religion topic here.

 

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

Ah, very good, very good. As usual, Taynio makes the best points of the topic.

 

You can use magick? I know this is a strange and somewhat off topic question, but how do you manage to do this?

i wish to know how to do magick.

So do I !

I don't know Magick...But I study it just because i feel like it. I have the power to see Magick Creatures However...Because I am one.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

[lexxscrapham]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

perhaps,there is something to that.

You ever notice how, for all the Church's claims that their way is the true faith, they can't seem to do hardly any of the stuff jesus's disciples could?

 

true, back then they didn't know much about comas. and we all know about the trouble that lysergic acid poisoning can cause, but still, they should have more than talk, if, they are indeed the true belivers.

[Topazia]

All of you make very good points.

 

TGHL, that builder thing? Wonderful! Very enlightening.

 

BEFORE READING THIS, CLEAR YOUR MIND OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, COME WITH AN OPEN MIND IN OTHER WORDS!

 

 

God exists if you want him to.

 

I believe whatever you believe the after-life is like, THAT will be YOUR after-life.

 

I believe that every god exists because I do not try to denounce anyone. I just only follow one of the many gods who aren't "God". Mine has a name called... well... I will not put it on here for you people will go off.

Very tolerant of you. I admire that.

If God does exists then he is the same god as I believe in. Only in a different persona. My "God" (not the christian god)created everything but left humans to fend for themselves. He doesn't like to interfere with mortals. However, he did leave special "powers" or magick if you will, with certain humans, objects, and places. That is as far as his extent to mortals.

(I need to stop converting to different religions BTW)

That would be considered a deity: god created the world and all within, but it's like s/he spun a top and is watching it spin down

The Christian God caught on so quick after people started doing missionary things because the idea was just so wonderful. He would take you are as you are(Excluding the evil), and all you had to do to go to this wonderful place called heaven was believe in him (before jesus) and believe all the Jesus stuff after he died. You could also heal the weak, cure the sick, cast out demons, and etc.

Very good; most get that screwed up somehow. I'm not being sardonic or condescending, this is a well-written piece.

Here is a problem though. I too can heal the weak, cure the sick, and cast out what you call demons. But I do this by magick. Not the all fancified magick from Harry Potter, the kind hollywood uses, and etc. No wands, candles, chants, (well candles sometimes yes), and all that mumbo jumbo. I do it by simply sticking my hand out and allowing the energy around me to do what I want, and in some cases forcing it. I have made wind inside enclosed areas, I have made fire appear and disappear, I have also made things levitate.

No comment. I'll end up hurting someone's feelings.

 

It is said God created the world in seven days. Why seven days for such an omnipotent God? They say because of our days and the day he rested is supposed to be our day. But many people fail to realize that our "7th" day only came up recently after the modern calendar was created. So that little part is false. Another flaw in christianity. Heaven- a new body is what it means for you. To me and according to the definition it is reincarnation. Enough said about that.

Again, no comment. I didn't quite grasp this, so I won't stick my foot into my gullet.

About 30 years of Jesus's life is cut off from the bible. What happend?

What about christianity before Jesus? Sure we know they just believed in God, but how come nothing is known about it? Jesus' life was not narrated in completion because.. well... I am not 100% sure, actually, but it probably has something to do with the fact that Jesus was busy growing up human during that time, so nothing really divine was going on. Christianity didn't exist before Christ: CHRISTianity.

How come other religions seems to be older than the belief in the christian god?

Because they are older. Christianity is only 2010 years old, whereas the Earth is more like 15,000 years old.

DO NOT take this as a "Shot" as christianity. This is NOT!

I am merely restating points I have made in the years I have posted in the religion topic here.

No offense was dealt, Taynio. This is a well-written, well-thought-out perspective piece. I can't say I'm impressed, given you're an adult and you can certainly speak your mind, but yes.

As for TGHL and the other "scienitology" believers out there, science is assumptions of what we believe to be fact. Science can be another word for fact. But fact leaves no room for possibilities. And until something is proven, it is not a fact. Nothing in the world if proven as a fact. Why? Because it can be taken two ways. Another possibility.

 

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

 

perhaps,there is something to that.

You ever notice how, for all the Church's claims that their way is the true faith, they can't seem to do hardly any of the stuff jesus's disciples could?

 

true, back then they didn't know much about comas. and we all know about the trouble that lysergic acid poisoning can cause, but still, they should have more than talk, if, they are indeed the true belivers.

I'm approaching this in a new way:

You have a point. A lot of the Church is all talk and no play. But did you ever consider that some of our top religious leaders aren't as strong in their faith as they propose to be? I mean, I had memorized every line in the service, knew every prayer like the back of my hand (oooh, what's that?), but I was a fake and a phony, and I had everyone fooled, including myself. I knew all the answers to Sunday School questions, and they were the stuffs that college seminarians couldn't come up with without a book in front of them. The catch: I am a top-notch, grade-A, bald-faced liar. I can say I'm a secret service agent with such conviction, you believe it. I can tell you horrendous lies, and no one would doubt my credibility. I'm not proud of it. But I was. I liked the fact that everyone believed me. Here's how powerful the lie was: I actually brought my friend to Christ in the seventh grade/year, nearly three years before I became a true-blue Christian. I hate lying. I'm the most convincing liar in my school, but I wish I wasn't. I wish that my denomination wasn't having such flack for the decisions of certain dioces, too. That's all I erally have to say.

 

Like I said, new approach. Hopefully less aggressive. Nobody ever came to Christ really by force.

 

XOXO

♥

[Mega Wolf]

Paz, I think that the world is closer to 15 trillion(somewhat wild guess) than 15,000 years old... Okay, I had to point that out.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Paz, I think that the world is closer to 15 trillion(somewhat wild guess) than 15,000 years old... Okay, I had to point that out.

The Bible says 4000 BC was the year of creation, carbon dating prooves it to be more like well, 15 trillion or more.

[Topazia]

Paz, I think that the world is closer to 15 trillion(somewhat wild guess) than 15,000 years old... Okay, I had to point that out.

The Bible says 4000 BC was the year of creation, carbon dating prooves it to be more like well, 15 trillion or more.

no. that's what some guy in the 17th century said. Oh, it was 4004 BC Oct 29, at 9 am. I say 15000 because, well, I believe that there was an ancient civilization. Be it Atlantis or the Minoans or that Japanese legend, I believe it was true. Nearly every region of the world has a legend of some ancient civilization destroyed by a flood about 10k-13k years ago.

 

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

[Horatio]

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

I believe if you check, you will find that carbon dating is unreliable only to the point of plus or minus 3000 years.

[Topazia]

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

I believe if you check, you will find that carbon dating is unreliable only to the point of plus or minus 3000 years.

Not to be insubordinate, but I watched a NOVA presentation: I can make household items date back to Egypt using crazy glue, quick-dry nailpolish, and the microwave.

♥

[Horatio]

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

I believe if you check, you will find that carbon dating is unreliable only to the point of plus or minus 3000 years.

Not to be insubordinate, but I watched a NOVA presentation: I can make household items date back to Egypt using crazy glue, quick-dry nailpolish, and the microwave.

♥

You are not insubordinate at all. Please always feel free to speak your mind!

As for dating back to Egypt, I was under the assumption, Egypt is still there. So, would you be talking about today, yesterday or a year ago.

 

Heyyyyyyy, aren't you supposed to be in school?

[Topazia]

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

I believe if you check, you will find that carbon dating is unreliable only to the point of plus or minus 3000 years.

Not to be insubordinate, but I watched a NOVA presentation: I can make household items date back to Egypt using crazy glue, quick-dry nailpolish, and the microwave.

♥

You are not insubordinate at all. Please always feel free to speak your mind!

As for dating back to Egypt, I was under the assumption, Egypt is still there. So, would you be talking about today, yesterday or a year ago.

 

Heyyyyyyy, aren't you supposed to be in school?

I meant in the time of the great Pharaohs, such as Tutenkhamen, Nefertiti (who was in fact a Pharaoh!), and Ramses. I was sick today.

[Horatio]

TGHL: Carbon dating has been proven to be unreliable. You should know that!

 

♥

I believe if you check, you will find that carbon dating is unreliable only to the point of plus or minus 3000 years.

Not to be insubordinate, but I watched a NOVA presentation: I can make household items date back to Egypt using crazy glue, quick-dry nailpolish, and the microwave.

♥

You are not insubordinate at all. Please always feel free to speak your mind!

As for dating back to Egypt, I was under the assumption, Egypt is still there. So, would you be talking about today, yesterday or a year ago.

 

Heyyyyyyy, aren't you supposed to be in school?

I meant in the time of the great Pharaohs, such as Tutenkhamen, Nefertiti (who was in fact a Pharaoh!), and Ramses. I was sick today.

I hope you are feeling better!

[schimmislick]

Tanyio, i agree with you somewhat, some of the stuff in the bible does sound pretty fake, but some of it is legit. I kind of made up my own religeon like thing, i think that we are in an infinite time loop that is unbreakable, that our fate is set, and that is one of the reasons for deja vu. but i still believe in all of christianity.There is more of my theries that i wont bore all of you with.

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles.

[Horatio]

Tanyio, i agree with you somewhat, some of the stuff in the bible does sound pretty fake, but some of it is legit. I kind of made up my own religeon like thing, i think that we are in an infinite time loop that is unbreakable, that our fate is set, and that is one of the reasons for deja vu. but i still believe in all of christianity.There is more of my theries that i wont bore all of you with.

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles.

I like your theories. Now boring at all, I wish you would let us know more of what your theories are. Please tell us.

[schimmislick]

Tanyio, i agree with you somewhat, some of the stuff in the bible does sound pretty fake, but some of it is legit. I kind of made up my own religeon like thing, i think that we are in an infinite time loop that is unbreakable, that our fate is set, and that is one of the reasons for deja vu. but i still believe in all of christianity.There is more of my theries that i wont bore all of you with.

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles.

I like your theories. Now boring at all, I wish you would let us know more of what your theories are. Please tell us.

 

 

But that activity includes something other than typing which is trying to remember stuff ok ill try and remember

 

 

 

 

later

[Horatio]

Tanyio, i agree with you somewhat, some of the stuff in the bible does sound pretty fake, but some of it is legit. I kind of made up my own religeon like thing, i think that we are in an infinite time loop that is unbreakable, that our fate is set, and that is one of the reasons for deja vu. but i still believe in all of christianity.There is more of my theries that i wont bore all of you with.

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles.

I like your theories. Now boring at all, I wish you would let us know more of what your theories are. Please tell us.

 

 

But that activity includes something other than typing which is trying to remember stuff ok ill try and remember

 

 

 

 

later

Later is good. I will be here!

[schimmislick]

my theries are, there are beings such as aliens, they were once our rulers, then just checked on us every once and a while

but we became too strong, so they are afraid to come, but they persist.

 

God and Big bang.........................................................................

It was the beginning. there was a WHOLe lot of nitrous oxcide, hydrogen, and other flammable gasses.

 

And God was a pyro.

HE lights the gasses which causes an explosion that creates the planets, He decides to create little creatures on some of the planets,

so he does, over 6 days. Then on the 7th day he takes a nap. But one day to him is like 10 billion (give or take a lot) of our years,

they change and shift. After a while His dominant species creates a large city in which all of the species lives.

He decides that they cannot live forever(for that is what he let them do) and floods there city and all of the diamonds and gold it had

 

Then a lot of other things happen.

[Horatio]

my theries are, there are beings such as aliens, they were once our rulers, then just checked on us every once and a while

but we became too strong, so they are afraid to come, but they persist.

 

God and Big bang.........................................................................

It was the beginning. there was a WHOLe lot of nitrous oxcide, hydrogen, and other flammable gasses.

 

And God was a pyro.

HE lights the gasses which causes an explosion that creates the planets, He decides to create little creatures on some of the planets,

so he does, over 6 days. Then on the 7th day he takes a nap. But one day to him is like 10 billion (give or take a lot) of our years,

they change and shift. After a while His dominant species creates a large city in which all of the species lives.

He decides that they cannot live forever(for that is what he let them do) and floods there city and all of the diamonds and gold it had

 

Then a lot of other things happen.

I like your thoughts!

[Topazia]

I've been gone too long. TGHL, come back! I have some questions!

[lexxscrapham]

here's an interesting thought:

 

The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christian fundementalists rarely carry AK-47s

[The Grim Hamster lord]

here's an interesting thought:

 

The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christian fundementalists rarely carry AK-47s

In order to proove your worth, do not do it by the sword as that will only hinder your cause.

Anyway, I'd say extremist Christian fundementalists prefer either kerosine or bio-weapons when it comes to making a point.

[Mega Wolf]

I'm reading The Case for Christ, but I kind of already believed in the fact that he existed. I think I need to find that one other book, that's like, got somethin' to do with God by Lee Strobel. XD

[Topazia]

I'm reading The Case for Christ, but I kind of already believed in the fact that he existed. I think I need to find that one other book, that's like, got somethin' to do with God by Lee Strobel. XD

Oh, I have Case for a Creator! I can't find the other two, though. There's Creator, Christ, and Faith, and he's busy writing Case for Easter. I love Lee Strobel!

[Arkcher]

I wander in and interrupt this discussion to bring you VERY useless news.

 

Earlier today, i put my headphones on. They arent on anymore though.

 

... jus'... so you know...

[Topazia]

I wander in and interrupt this discussion to bring you VERY useless news.

 

Earlier today, i put my headphones on. They arent on anymore though.

 

... jus'... so you know...

Okay, Arkcher, that's enough sugar for you...

 

Bad news! I wrenched my knee today, but I should be okay by prom.

[lexxscrapham]

ok, this occoured to me the other day:

The Romans didn't so much convert to Christianity, as convert Christianity.

[Taynio]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

 

I once was Wiccan. There I learned of healing spells, protective spells, etc. I also learned the ways of the druids where I learned my elemental spells.

I have given up on the learnings for a while because with my stress and etc meditation isn't balancing it out. I need to get my priorities straight first.

 

For no reason at well.. excluding I got bored one day... I became a spiritual satanist. Yeah.. I know.. I change a lot. I am not committed to this but if someone comes against me you better believe I will 100% behind my beliefs. However, I was much more at peace with existence when I was wiccan. Therefore I am thinking of changing... again.

 

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles

Yes I know alchemy but the alchemy I use does not require circles. Unless you are enchanting a potion. But even then they are magick circles used in regular spells with a few material enchant symbols. Hm.. perhaps by your circle I am thinking of the ones you would see on Full Metal Alchemist. I am a little confused. Which are you talking about?

[lexxscrapham]

yes, shlim, do explain, are you referring to the mideval predessor to Materials Science, some strange anime mishmash of future technology and sterotyped middle eastern philosophy or what?

[Topazia]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

 

I once was Wiccan. There I learned of healing spells, protective spells, etc. I also learned the ways of the druids where I learned my elemental spells.

I have given up on the learnings for a while because with my stress and etc meditation isn't balancing it out. I need to get my priorities straight first.

 

For no reason at well.. excluding I got bored one day... I became a spiritual satanist. Yeah.. I know.. I change a lot. I am not committed to this but if someone comes against me you better believe I will 100% behind my beliefs. However, I was much more at peace with existence when I was wiccan. Therefore I am thinking of changing... again.

 

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles

Yes I know alchemy but the alchemy I use does not require circles. Unless you are enchanting a potion. But even then they are magick circles used in regular spells with a few material enchant symbols. Hm.. perhaps by your circle I am thinking of the ones you would see on Full Metal Alchemist. I am a little confused. Which are you talking about?

Just so you know, Taynio, I would say something about your absurd apostasy, but I'm feeling drained from an argument with my future Mother-in-Law, so I'll restrain for my sake.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

 

I once was Wiccan. There I learned of healing spells, protective spells, etc. I also learned the ways of the druids where I learned my elemental spells.

I have given up on the learnings for a while because with my stress and etc meditation isn't balancing it out. I need to get my priorities straight first.

 

For no reason at well.. excluding I got bored one day... I became a spiritual satanist. Yeah.. I know.. I change a lot. I am not committed to this but if someone comes against me you better believe I will 100% behind my beliefs. However, I was much more at peace with existence when I was wiccan. Therefore I am thinking of changing... again.

 

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles

Yes I know alchemy but the alchemy I use does not require circles. Unless you are enchanting a potion. But even then they are magick circles used in regular spells with a few material enchant symbols. Hm.. perhaps by your circle I am thinking of the ones you would see on Full Metal Alchemist. I am a little confused. Which are you talking about?

Just so you know, Taynio, I would say something about your absurd apostasy, but I'm feeling drained from an argument with my future Mother-in-Law, so I'll restrain for my sake.

Oi, if you're going to start calling other religons (although technically, what most people refer to as "Magicks", the whole wiccan/witch/wizard etc., is not a religon, it is more a culture, a way of life than a full blown religon, but it doesn't matter!) ridiculous, what does that make Christianity? A 2006 year old religon with declining numbers of believers which follows a creed made up by powerful men intrested in furthering their own power than laying down a religous foundation, based on a bible which isn't accurate, ommits great numbers of details and has a variety of saints which were often bullies who sent letters to isolated bunches of christians who were quite happy before but now have to follow what Paul says or be smote (smitten). A religon whose roots are highly debatable, which is fracturing and becoming more divided each day with no sensible or strong leader in which to make the church viable for the 21st century. Ooh what else...Oh yes, information is only available through your local spin doctor (aka your priest) who will put his own interpretation on things, enforces ridiculous laws which are outdated and no longer relevant. Manipulated by Rome and facing competition from other religons which in this age of heightened social responsibility and such, appeals much better. Those of a ecological mindset or similarly enjoy peace and calm for a few minutes amongst a hectic and busy life are targeted by the Buddhists, those who are of a militant mindset can either go for Islamic fundementalism or the US Postal Service. Anyway, do not call others absurd before you can justifiably discount them with genuine evidence (spirtitual or biblical evidence not accepted, if you are dissatisified with your evidence's verdict, you cannot appeal to a higher authority). And anyway, Tayino's religon offers a much more interesting spirituality to Christianity's AND it is much more about the Earth than the churchs' habits of saying "you're only here for <90 years and then you're off to heaven, so feel free to buy SUVs, "gas-guzzling" Fords and Corvettes and mess up the earth, because hey you're not going to be here to feel the effects!"

[Cheesus]

I believe that Tayino is a wiccan, which were often mistaken by idiot puritans as Witches when all wiccans did was heal using natural herbs, natural stuff. Although I suspect Tayino is a newer breed of wiccan which has developed their skills to a more... arcane? I don't know, but they do more than the traditional woman under the oak tree healings now, like as Tayino said exorcisms and other such stuff.

 

I once was Wiccan. There I learned of healing spells, protective spells, etc. I also learned the ways of the druids where I learned my elemental spells.

I have given up on the learnings for a while because with my stress and etc meditation isn't balancing it out. I need to get my priorities straight first.

 

For no reason at well.. excluding I got bored one day... I became a spiritual satanist. Yeah.. I know.. I change a lot. I am not committed to this but if someone comes against me you better believe I will 100% behind my beliefs. However, I was much more at peace with existence when I was wiccan. Therefore I am thinking of changing... again.

 

 

Also Tanyio if what you are what you say, kan you do alchemy? that is one of the arts i adore, i just dont know any circles

Yes I know alchemy but the alchemy I use does not require circles. Unless you are enchanting a potion. But even then they are magick circles used in regular spells with a few material enchant symbols. Hm.. perhaps by your circle I am thinking of the ones you would see on Full Metal Alchemist. I am a little confused. Which are you talking about?

Just so you know, Taynio, I would say something about your absurd apostasy, but I'm feeling drained from an argument with my future Mother-in-Law, so I'll restrain for my sake.

Oi, if you're going to start calling other religons (although technically, what most people refer to as "Magicks", the whole wiccan/witch/wizard etc., is not a religon, it is more a culture, a way of life than a full blown religon, but it doesn't matter!) ridiculous, what does that make Christianity? A 2006 year old religon with declining numbers of believers which follows a creed made up by powerful men intrested in furthering their own power than laying down a religous foundation, based on a bible which isn't accurate, ommits great numbers of details and has a variety of saints which were often bullies who sent letters to isolated bunches of christians who were quite happy before but now have to follow what Paul says or be smote (smitten). A religon whose roots are highly debatable, which is fracturing and becoming more divided each day with no sensible or strong leader in which to make the church viable for the 21st century. Ooh what else...Oh yes, information is only available through your local spin doctor (aka your priest) who will put his own interpretation on things, enforces ridiculous laws which are outdated and no longer relevant. Manipulated by Rome and facing competition from other religons which in this age of heightened social responsibility and such, appeals much better. Those of a ecological mindset or similarly enjoy peace and calm for a few minutes amongst a hectic and busy life are targeted by the Buddhists, those who are of a militant mindset can either go for Islamic fundementalism or the US Postal Service. Anyway, do not call others absurd before you can justifiably discount them with genuine evidence (spirtitual or biblical evidence not accepted, if you are dissatisified with your evidence's verdict, you cannot appeal to a higher authority). And anyway, Tayino's religon offers a much more interesting spirituality to Christianity's AND it is much more about the Earth than the churchs' habits of saying "you're only here for <90 years and then you're off to heaven, so feel free to buy SUVs, "gas-guzzling" Fords and Corvettes and mess up the earth, because hey you're not going to be here to feel the effects!"

amen.

[lexxscrapham]

kinda like I implied:

Roman catholicism is largely a pagan faith.

of course I was raised in a sect started by a man so conservative the Vatican sent a hit man after him...

But, really, Does Allah/Vishnu/Zeus/Yawae/Odin really care what name we use, or choose not to use?

 

I mean you have, among others:

Abraham, Buddah, Mohammed, Jesus of nazereth, Joseph smith, Mao tse tung, and Adolph Hitler.

Who is to say any of one these individuals knew the meaning of life, the universe and everything any better than the others?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

kinda like I implied:

Roman catholicism is largely a pagan faith.

of course I was raised in a sect started by a man so conservative the Vatican sent a hit man after him...

But, really, Does Allah/Vishnu/Zeus/Yawae/Odin really care what name we use, or choose not to use?

 

I mean you have, among others:

Abraham, Buddah, Mohammed, Jesus of nazereth, Joseph smith, Mao tse tung, and Adolph Hitler.

Who is to say any of one these individuals knew the meaning of life, the universe and everything any better than the others?

Its quite interesting that, say in theory, that God/Odin/Allah/Zeus etc. is the same person. Puts on an eyepatch and a viking hat and goes off for a quiet weekend at Valhalla fighting Hel, Loki and generally preventing Ragnarok.

[Topazia]

Just so you know, Taynio, I would say something about your absurd apostasy, but I'm feeling drained from an argument with my future Mother-in-Law, so I'll restrain for my sake.

Oi, if you're going to start calling other religons (although technically, what most people refer to as "Magicks", the whole wiccan/witch/wizard etc., is not a religon, it is more a culture, a way of life than a full blown religon, but it doesn't matter!) ridiculous, what does that make Christianity? A 2006 year old religon with declining numbers of believers which follows a creed made up by powerful men intrested in furthering their own power than laying down a religous foundation, based on a bible which isn't accurate, ommits great numbers of details and has a variety of saints which were often bullies who sent letters to isolated bunches of christians who were quite happy before but now have to follow what Paul says or be smote (smitten).Wow, I see you're in a mood. Yes, I'm calling Satanism absurd. A religon whose roots are highly debatable, which is fracturing and becoming more divided each day with no sensible or strong leader in which to make the church viable for the 21st century.Hey, just because a few idiots are in power doesn't automatically falsify Christianity! Ooh what else...Oh yes, information is only available through your local spin doctor (aka your priest) who will put his own interpretation on things, enforces ridiculous laws which are outdated and no longer relevant.Not so! My priest strives to keep his opinion out of it, and my church is one of the best in the city! The cops send the homeless guys to our church, that's how true it is! Manipulated by Rome and facing competition from other religons which in this age of heightened social responsibility and such, appeals much better. Those of a ecological mindset or similarly enjoy peace and calm for a few minutes amongst a hectic and busy life are targeted by the Buddhists, those who are of a militant mindset can either go for Islamic fundementalism or the US Postal Service.cute. That's stereotyping, TGHL! You tell me not to stereotype, so quit being a hypocrite! Anyway, do not call others absurd before you can justifiably discount them with genuine evidence (spirtitual or biblical evidence not accepted, if you are dissatisified with your evidence's verdict, you cannot appeal to a higher authority). Shall I break out my Lee Strobel library again? I never actually finished disproving Atheism, and Satanism is quickly becoming my area of interest. This does not coincide with Taynio's switch, but with a friend of mine who is dabbling in the dark. I'm very worried about her. And anyway, Tayino's religon offers a much more interesting spirituality to Christianity's AND it is much more about the Earth than the churchs' habits of saying "you're only here for <90 years and then you're off to heaven, so feel free to buy SUVs, "gas-guzzling" Fords and Corvettes and mess up the earth, because hey you're not going to be here to feel the effects!"

As to your last remark, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ABOUT AND IF YOU WOULD PUT DOWN YOUR MENTAL STIGMA LONG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT REAL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE, NOT THE LIARS AND ANY MATERIALISTIC BOBOS WHO DON'T QUITE GET THE POINT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT! THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES IN NUMEROUS PASSAGES THAT WE ARE TO KEEP THE EARTH HEALTHY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS!

 

kinda like I implied:

Roman catholicism is largely a pagan faith.

of course I was raised in a sect started by a man so conservative the Vatican sent a hit man after him...

But, really, Does Allah/Vishnu/Zeus/Yawae/Odin really care what name we use, or choose not to use?

Yes, He does. If God is the only one, we shouldn't call Him by a name that implies there are other gods, like Zeus (Hermes, Aphrodite, Athena, etc) or Odin (Loki and other Norse gods).

I mean you have, among others:

Abraham, Buddah, Mohammed, Jesus of nazereth, Joseph smith, Mao tse tung, and Adolph Hitler.

Who is to say any of one these individuals knew the meaning of life, the universe and everything any better than the others?

Abraham was a biblical person. Bhudda has remains; Jesus doesn't: 'Nuff said. Mohammed, same deal. Joseph smith does not compute, but isn't he the founder of a pseudoChristian sect? Mao tse tung is a philosopher. Hitler was a pompous jerk with a masochistic streak. Hitler was the caused of over 9 million deaths in the forties, lexx. everybody knows he was an insane freak.

 

You already know that I'm opinionated, guys. You know I can say things that don't quite make sense unless you're as smart or free-thinking as I am. (By the way, I'm not saying anybody's stupid, just that my IQ is approx. 141) The thing is, I put thought into my speech, just as I do to my writing. If you think more about what I'm trying to say instead of the mistakes I make in verbology, you'd know this. I try to keep an open mind. I want you to prove me wrong and give me undeniable proof that God is fake. I also want you to keep an open mind when I'm telling you how I see it. Using no science, but what you see in nature and in yourselves, you cannot disprove God. I can prove His existence, if you'll give me the time to put my words together in a way that makes sense. You can't explain something you believe in off the top of your head. I'd like to see you try. I like debates and disagreements. I like hearing others' opinions and beliefs. I feel that, if I know what you think, I can better understand how to approach a situation. I like to listen to others. I try hard not to interrupt because I don't want to be interrupted. I try hard to view ideas from other points of view, because I want you to see my side of the story, too. I'm nice because I want others to be nice. If I ever seem quick-tempered or like I don't think about what I'm saying, take a closer look at what I've put forward. You can see that I rarely rise to anger. I exercise patience and self-control because I want you to, also. It's the golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I want to be treated with respect, so I try extra hard to respect those people whose views differ from mine, like TGHL, Taynio, Casey from school, and Leigh, my best friend. I'm a former agnostic. I know what I'm up against. I used to listen to bands like ICP. I now listen to ONE song by them b/c it's got a decent message. I listen to ONE song by Twistid until Rob proves that there's another one worth listening to. I listen to German metal. I read books by Laurel K. Hamilton. I write stories so dangerous in content, I wouldn't dare putting them up here. I know what I'm up against. I'm not perfect, nor do I pretend to be. I have figured out the universe, but I have yet to actually put my theory in writing. (hint: fractals) The thing is, guys, I try to respect others. I want respect, and I can't expect to get respect unless I show it first.

 

Well, I'm totally off topic, but I think (HOPE) I got the point across. I'm gonna go now. Byebye!

 

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

I love you all!

God bless and keep you all your life!

|||

[Horatio]

...my IQ is approx. 141

Seeing as how you have so many extra numbers, would you like to give me some. I would love to get smarter.

[lexxscrapham]

... everybody knows he was an insane freak.[...]

by contemperary standards, yes, but the same thing could be said for half the people on that list.

 

You know I can say things that don't quite make sense unless you're as smart or free-thinking as I am. (By the way, I'm not saying anybody's stupid, just that my IQ is approx. 141)

I feel the IQ test is merely a institutionalised superiority complex, but i much teh same thoughts myself

I used to listen to bands like ICP. I now listen to ONE song by them b/c it's got a decent message. I listen to ONE song by Twistid until Rob proves that there's another one worth listening to. ...

 

I don't quite see the relevance of this portion, but if you like to pidgeonhole yourself based on momentary preferences, I won't stop you.

I have a few stories myself that I would never try to share here, I wish I could say that they were the most revolting I ever read, but my ongoing effort to keep an open mind has left me unable to honestly say that. but,

if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, It surely goes doubly so for ugliness.

[Horatio]

...if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, It surely goes doubly so for ugliness.

Now this is a quote I need to keep!

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Satanism? So now you are rounding up a group of people and placing one label on them? I can't say I've heard Tayino doing any of the exorcist noises or silly things like that and I would know, I see all, except places I can't see. Which I can't. Anyway, I think Tayino will not be pleased that you have just labelled him as a satanist. And anyway, what was wrong with those little groups of Christians, doing nothing wrong and then St.Paul, the bully, comes along and messes it all up for them. And incidentally, Islamic Fundementalism is militant because in the Koran (or is it Quaran or something?) it says that Islam must be dominant over the world, so the fundementalists (who are the same as a Christian Evangealist) takes this to mean that they must clense the earth of all opposition by any means possible. Look at what the 9/11 person on trial has said. Plus, the US Postal Service is infamous for the traditional insane, gun-toting-on-your-lawn-with-an-AK-47 postal worker in blue shorts. Which is why you should all use.... Fed-Ex.... or UPS! *gets a citrus tree catapulted on to head by Horatio*

Incidentally, you mistook what I said about the leaders. A leader needs to be strong, decisive and charasmatic. The Church has none of these, and remember your leader represents the whole, it is a delegate with which you represent your country. Now look at ABC, a mad old interfering fool who looks like he's swallowed a pidgeon. ABY however, is slightly better, but not really that effective.

Do I care about your church? No.

Look, let us finish this Lee Strobel argument. He is not impartial. He does not want to educate. He does not want to enlighten. He wants to sell books. So, his agent tells him to write a book about how Christianity is oh so good, as a large amount of the USA is Christian. Writes it, it gets sold, he makes money. Publishers are happy, he's happy and his agent is happy because they've just sold some books. Does it matter whether any of it is correct? No, because its all theory and if they're taken to court for deception and passing off fiction as fact, they can declare it was meerly a theory and you can't sue for having a theory.

FINALLY, there is no passage in the BIble which says preserve the earth for future generations. There is that one about not being materialistic by Jesus, but anyone coming up in front of the Recording Angel or whatever can just say I needed an SUV or whatever and the angels and saints can hardly disput that can they? So long as they can come up with a convincing arguement, they're fine. And, Bobos?

[Jesse]

based on a bible which isn't accurate

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bible isn't as reliable as say, Caesar's texts? How about Plato? Compare:

 

Caesar - works written from 100-44 BC, earliest copies made in 900 AD, which means there is a time span of a thousand years. There were 10 copies.

 

Pluto's Tetralogies - written between 427-347 BC, with the earliest copies in AD 900, whihc makes a life span of 1,200 years, with 7 copies.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The New Testament - was written between AD 40-100, with the earliest copies made in AD 125, making a life span of 25 years and 24,000 or more copies.

 

Hah! So why is it that no one questions the reliablility of plato's work but they question the New Testament's reliability? Rather it should be the other way around! The New Testament blows the others out of the water! "The bible's not accurate" my toosh!

[Horatio]

based on a bible which isn't accurate

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bible isn't as reliable as say, Caesar's texts? How about Plato? Compare:

 

Caesar - works written from 100-44 BC, earliest copies made in 900 AD, which means there is a time span of a thousand years. There were 10 copies.

 

Pluto's Tetralogies - written between 427-347 BC, with the earliest copies in AD 900, whihc makes a life span of 1,200 years, with 7 copies.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The New Testament - was written between AD 40-100, with the earliest copies made in AD 125, making a life span of 25 years and 24,000 or more copies.

 

Hah! So why is it that no one questions the reliablility of plato's work but they question the New Testament's reliability? Rather it should be the other way around! The New Testament blows the others out of the water! "The bible's not accurate" my toosh!

Pluto?

I did not know there were any Disney characters back then.

[Jesse]

based on a bible which isn't accurate

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bible isn't as reliable as say, Caesar's texts? How about Plato? Compare:

 

Caesar - works written from 100-44 BC, earliest copies made in 900 AD, which means there is a time span of a thousand years. There were 10 copies.

 

Pluto's Tetralogies - written between 427-347 BC, with the earliest copies in AD 900, whihc makes a life span of 1,200 years, with 7 copies.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The New Testament - was written between AD 40-100, with the earliest copies made in AD 125, making a life span of 25 years and 24,000 or more copies.

 

Hah! So why is it that no one questions the reliablility of plato's work but they question the New Testament's reliability? Rather it should be the other way around! The New Testament blows the others out of the water! "The bible's not accurate" my toosh!

Pluto?

I did not know there were any Disney characters back then.

Err...it seems that Walt Disney is older than I thought he was!

[Cheesus]

"Using no science, but what you see in nature and in yourselves, you cannot disprove God."

 

basically, you are saying that if you ignore logic, you can't disprove anything. If you ignore logic, then i am a sleeping penguin juggling flaming chainsaws with a carrot shoved in my ear and 2+2= fish.

[Horatio]

based on a bible which isn't accurate

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bible isn't as reliable as say, Caesar's texts? How about Plato? Compare:

 

Caesar - works written from 100-44 BC, earliest copies made in 900 AD, which means there is a time span of a thousand years. There were 10 copies.

 

Pluto's Tetralogies - written between 427-347 BC, with the earliest copies in AD 900, whihc makes a life span of 1,200 years, with 7 copies.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The New Testament - was written between AD 40-100, with the earliest copies made in AD 125, making a life span of 25 years and 24,000 or more copies.

 

Hah! So why is it that no one questions the reliablility of plato's work but they question the New Testament's reliability? Rather it should be the other way around! The New Testament blows the others out of the water! "The bible's not accurate" my toosh!

Pluto?

I did not know there were any Disney characters back then.

Err...it seems that Walt Disney is older than I thought he was!

What a little bit of make-up will do.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

based on a bible which isn't accurate

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bible isn't as reliable as say, Caesar's texts? How about Plato? Compare:

 

Caesar - works written from 100-44 BC, earliest copies made in 900 AD, which means there is a time span of a thousand years. There were 10 copies.

 

Pluto's Tetralogies - written between 427-347 BC, with the earliest copies in AD 900, whihc makes a life span of 1,200 years, with 7 copies.

 

HOWEVER...

 

The New Testament - was written between AD 40-100, with the earliest copies made in AD 125, making a life span of 25 years and 24,000 or more copies.

 

Hah! So why is it that no one questions the reliablility of plato's work but they question the New Testament's reliability? Rather it should be the other way around! The New Testament blows the others out of the water! "The bible's not accurate" my toosh!

Ah now, consider this then. I never said age was an issue, as none of us dispute that the Ancient Egyptians existed and we know that Stonehenge has been around from before even them. My claim about the Bible's authenticity is;

a) The number of contradicting accounts of Jesus' life. Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are only four of hundreds. The gospel of Judas for example, or the gospel of Mary Magdalene. Both of which contradict the versions of events that the others painted.

The lack of physical, non-written evidence to back up these events in both Testaments. We can confirm events written down by Ceaser from archaeological digs, whereas archaeologists have yet to find evidence anyway near as good as those from even the age of dinosaurs.

c)In terms of your comments with volume, I like Horatio's quote from ages ago. Flies say cow pats are tasty, so it must be true. More doesn't mean better or more viable or more anything. It just means more.

d) Constantine.

e) The corruption and adjustments made over the early years.

f) So on, so forth.

[Jesse]

Ah now, consider this then. I never said age was an issue, as none of us dispute that the Ancient Egyptians existed and we know that Stonehenge has been around from before even them. My claim about the Bible's authenticity is;

a) The number of contradicting accounts of Jesus' life. Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are only four of hundreds. The gospel of Judas for example, or the gospel of Mary Magdalene. Both of which contradict the versions of events that the others painted.

The lack of physical, non-written evidence to back up these events in both Testaments. We can confirm events written down by Ceaser from archaeological digs, whereas archaeologists have yet to find evidence anyway near as good as those from even the age of dinosaurs.

c)In terms of your comments with volume, I like Horatio's quote from ages ago. Flies say cow pats are tasty, so it must be true. More doesn't mean better or more viable or more anything. It just means more.

d) Constantine.

e) The corruption and adjustments made over the early years.

f) So on, so forth.

I'll address some of these points individually, but overall it is important to find the fine line between Catholicism and Christianity, because those are very, very different, and that includes their bibles.

a) Gospel of Judas? Gospel of Mary? I think those are Catholic books of the bible. You see, Catholics added their own stuff to the bible (appearently they have saints in there too), but I don't believe those should be part of the bible. I believe that the four gospels are the only true accounts of Jesus' life, and those don't contradict each other as far as I can see, they're just different view points.

Jesus' tomb is empty and that's all the evidence I need. There are several theories that try to make the ressurection false, but they all have flaws (I can elaborate if you wish, I know three or four theories). So as far as I'm concerned no one has been able to find evidence that DISproves the events in the new testament. As for the old testament, the preservation of scrolls is enough for me.

c) I wasn't saying that it made it true, I was saying that it made the text more reliable (ie. it wasn't altered much when copies were made)

e) I could take that two different ways. Do you mean that the words themselves were not written down precisely? Or do you mean that people used the bible in corrupt manners?

-About the first point, the Old Testament was copied with such precision that as entire scroll had been copied by hand, one letter at a time, the scroll would be destroyed if one mistake were to be made (I can elaborate about the methods of scroll making if you wish). I have already addressed the New Testament about this manner.

-About the second point, yes, Catholic priests have used the old testament as means for corruption for a very very long time. This is because the priests interpreted the bible themselves instead of letting others read it. So they could say that the bible says to kick yourself 5 times after sunset, and the church peoples would have to take his word for it (or grow skeptical and eventually get excommunicated). However, after the ressurection people eventually developed printing presses and verions of the bible were given to the public. Although there are different versions that have different word choices, the overall message is the same.

[lexxscrapham]

yeah, questioning why the priests were the only ones able to read the scriptures was one of the things that got ol' Martin it trouble.

of course, the catholics might have a different perspective on the whole deal.

of course, when one of the central points of your religion is "Our god told us that we are always right" things like the Spanish inquisition are inevitable.

[Jesse]

Okay, I just learned that I was mistaken on point a. The gospel of mary/judus are not catholic books, they are actually from a belief called something like nithalisism (spelling may be way off), where people believe that since you're already forgiven then you can do whatever you want.

 

But either way, if a book is not a first-hand account, it should not be part of scripture.

[Topazia]

I feel the IQ test is merely a institutionalised superiority complex, but i much teh same thoughts myself the iq test measures a person's potential

 

I don't quite see the relevance of this portion, but if you like to pidgeonhole yourself based on momentary preferences, I won't stop you.

I have a few stories myself that I would never try to share here, I wish I could say that they were the most revolting I ever read, but my ongoing effort to keep an open mind has left me unable to honestly say that. but,

if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, It surely goes doubly so for ugliness.

the music comment was meant as a reminder that I used to be agnostic/borderline atheist.

 

Satanism? So now you are rounding up a group of people and placing one label on them? I can't say I've heard Tayino doing any of the exorcist noises or silly things like that and I would know, I see all, except places I can't see. Which I can't. Anyway, I think Tayino will not be pleased that you have just labelled him as a satanist.He just said he converted to satanism, which makes him a satanist, O Phoenix! Don't accuse me of grouping people! I do, but not like that! And anyway, what was wrong with those little groups of Christians, doing nothing wrong and then St.Paul, the bully, comes along and messes it all up for them. And incidentally, Islamic Fundementalism is militant because in the Koran (or is it Quaran or something?) it says that Islam must be dominant over the world, so the fundementalists (who are the same as a Christian Evangealist) takes this to mean that they must clense the earth of all opposition by any means possible. Look at what the 9/11 person on trial has said. Plus, the US Postal Service is infamous for the traditional insane, gun-toting-on-your-lawn-with-an-AK-47 postal worker in blue shorts. Which is why you should all use.... Fed-Ex.... or UPS! *gets a citrus tree catapulted on to head by Horatio*

Incidentally, you mistook what I said about the leaders. A leader needs to be strong, decisive and charasmatic.No s/he doesn't. Look at Joshua, from the Bible. (Don't start) He was shy: indecisive, and uncharismatic, and he did alright. I mean, there's a pretty good chance you are a descendant of king Joshua. The Church has none of these, and remember your leader represents the whole, it is a delegate with which you represent your country. Now look at ABC,you do mean archBishop of Canturbury, right? Aww, come on! Be nice to him! He's old! It says right in Leviticus 19:32 NIV, "Rise is the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD." a mad old interfering fool who looks like he's swallowed a pidgeon. ABYarchBishop of who? however, is slightly better, but not really that effective.

Do I care about your church? No. I was making a point, kid.

Look, let us finish this Lee Strobel argument. He is not impartial. He does not want to educate. He does not want to enlighten. He wants to sell books. So, his agent tells him to write a book about how Christianity is oh so good, as a large amount of the USA is Christian. Writes it, it gets sold, he makes money. Publishers are happy, he's happy and his agent is happy because they've just sold some books. Does it matter whether any of it is correct? No, because its all theory and if they're taken to court for deception and passing off fiction as fact, they can declare it was meerly a theory and you can't sue for having a theory. Be careful, TGHL. You can accuse me of being a blubbering fool idiotically defending a false cause, but when you start getting into my literary hero when it comes to logic, I warn you: read the book before you jump to a conclusion. You also have to read w/ an open mind!

FINALLY, there is no passage in the BIble which says preserve the earth for future generations.yes there is. I'll find it, and I'll prove it. I just have to find my devotional bible with all the helps in it. There is that one about not being materialistic by Jesus, but anyone coming up in front of the Recording Angel or whatever can just say I needed an SUV or whatever and the angels and saints can hardly disput that can they? So long as they can come up with a convincing arguement, they're fine. And, Bobos? hey, it's better than the words I was thinking, let's put it that way, okay?

 

 

Ah now, consider this then. I never said age was an issue, as none of us dispute that the Ancient Egyptians existed and we know that Stonehenge has been around from before even them. My claim about the Bible's authenticity is;

a) The number of contradicting accounts of Jesus' life. Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are only four of hundreds. The gospel of Judas for example, or the gospel of Mary Magdalene. Both of which contradict the versions of events that the others painted. Those aren't actual gospels, TGHL. For one thing, the gospels all compliment and support one another. Have you even read the "gospels" of Judas and Mary? There's contradictions all over the place!

The lack of physical, non-written evidence to back up these events in both Testaments. We can confirm events written down by Ceaser from archaeological digs, whereas archaeologists have yet to find evidence anyway near as good as those from even the age of dinosaurs. quiet about the color, first off. Anyway, how can you prove the archeopteryx? It's been deemed a faked, altered piece of rubbish! Hal's embryos? They were also rigged, and later disproven! Tree of Life? uprooted by the discovery of the Cambrian explosion! Answer this, my friend: if your truths are true, how come so many icons and symbols are being undermined by recent empirical research?

c)In terms of your comments with volume, I like Horatio's quote from ages ago. Flies say cow pats are tasty, so it must be true. More doesn't mean better or more viable or more anything. It just means more. Yeah, but you live in a monarchy. Democracy is majority rules, remember? Hey, if more isn't anything but more, why is it that more evidence means probable truth?

d) Constantine.I'm sorry, how is this an argument? It's a Roman doofus who founded the principles of ROman Catholicism. Whoopee.

e) The corruption and adjustments made over the early years.what adjustments? I can't see anuy adjustments other that the "thee" was changed to "you".

f) So on, so forth. I hardly consider this a sound argument, TGHL.

 

 

yeah, questioning why the priests were the only ones able to read the scriptures was one of the things that got ol' Martin it trouble.

of course, the catholics might have a different perspective on the whole deal.

of course, when one of the central points of your religion is "Our god told us that we are always right" things like the Spanish inquisition are inevitable.

Yes, but Lexx, I don't agree with what the EUropeans did during the Inquisition and the Crusades. I think they should have taken a closer look at what the Bible has to say, and they would have realized that CHristianity is not about raiding and killing any and all opposition, but about loving our neighbor and approaching a situation with calmness and an open mind. I shoot my mouth off, and I try to keep an open mind.

 

 

To TGHL: My friend, you dodge the issue of proving your faiths true. Why? I want to know more about evolutionism and atheism. I want to know the science behind it. I want to undrstand you better. Why do I want this? I want to know more because I value you as a friend, and what good is a friend if you don't know anything about what they stand on? You took religion courses in school. I wish I could have. You know more about my beliefs than I know about yours, and that puts you at quite an unfair advantage. You can bash my faith and come up with old, outmoded science to try to disprove it, and I can't do anything but defend myself with what I know. I'd like to know more, so I can at least point out to you that no science is without loopholes. I don't want to know so I can attack you. I want to know my friends and why they think the way they do. I don't like to argue and debate when the playing field isn't even. Besides, if I know what you know, maybe I'll discover that you are right after all. But I have to say, I'd like if you would look at my stance with as open a mind as I look at yours. I don't know enough to really say anything but I'm right, and if I'm wrong, and you're right, I want to know if I'm nothing but a smart monkey. You're a smart kid. I like to read what you have to say, because you have a vast knowledge that I wish I had the chance to have. I have no choice but to keep an open mind, because otherwise, I might miss a vital piece of information that will determine the course of my life. I think far too highly of you, and everyone else here, to give you anything less than my undivided, unprejudiced attention.

 

To everyone: How does something infinite grow? How did the universe come about? Where do black holes go? What is the center of the universe? How do we now the universe is infinite? A chocolate napkin award to the person who gives a detailed and sensible answer!

 

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God bless you and keep you!

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[lexxscrapham]

yeah, questioning why the priests were the only ones able to read the scriptures was one of the things that got ol' Martin it trouble.

of course, the catholics might have a different perspective on the whole deal.

of course, when one of the central points of your religion is "Our god told us that we are always right" things like the Spanish inquisition are inevitable.

Yes, but Lexx, I don't agree with what the EUropeans did during the Inquisition and the Crusades. I think they should have taken a closer look at what the Bible has to say, and they would have realized that CHristianity is not about raiding and killing any and all opposition, but about loving our neighbor and approaching a situation with calmness and an open mind. I shoot my mouth off, and I try to keep an open mind.

 

hard to study the scriptures when they are written in a language you don't know, and the preists keep the few copies around under lock and key.

The crusades were mainly about greed, the muslims just provided the "good christians" an excuse.

[Topazia]

hard to study the scriptures when they are written in a language you don't know, and the preists keep the few copies around under lock and key.

The crusades were mainly about greed, the muslims just provided the "good christians" an excuse.

You have three very good points there, friend. I like how you placed "good christians" (I neglect to capitalize for a point) in quotation marks.

 

 

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[The Grim Hamster lord]

To TGHL: My friend, you dodge the issue of proving your faiths true. Why? I want to know more about evolutionism and atheism. I want to know the science behind it. I want to undrstand you better. Why do I want this? I want to know more because I value you as a friend, and what good is a friend if you don't know anything about what they stand on? You took religion courses in school. I wish I could have. You know more about my beliefs than I know about yours, and that puts you at quite an unfair advantage. You can bash my faith and come up with old, outmoded science to try to disprove it, and I can't do anything but defend myself with what I know. I'd like to know more, so I can at least point out to you that no science is without loopholes. I don't want to know so I can attack you. I want to know my friends and why they think the way they do. I don't like to argue and debate when the playing field isn't even. Besides, if I know what you know, maybe I'll discover that you are right after all. But I have to say, I'd like if you would look at my stance with as open a mind as I look at yours. I don't know enough to really say anything but I'm right, and if I'm wrong, and you're right, I want to know if I'm nothing but a smart monkey. You're a smart kid. I like to read what you have to say, because you have a vast knowledge that I wish I had the chance to have. I have no choice but to keep an open mind, because otherwise, I might miss a vital piece of information that will determine the course of my life. I think far too highly of you, and everyone else here, to give you anything less than my undivided, unprejudiced attention.

 

To everyone: How does something infinite grow? How did the universe come about? Where do black holes go? What is the center of the universe? How do we now the universe is infinite? A chocolate napkin award to the person who gives a detailed and sensible answer!

Right. Even if Tayino has converted to Satanism, so what? What makes Satanism any worse than say... the Amish? He has the right to live his life the way he wants and will probably do so. And, oh glorious day, you are comparing me to Joshua who you just said was indecisive and uncharismatic. And did he do alright? No. Because he has some pages in a book, in the section where no one looks or talks about. Everyone in the western world has heard of Ramses or one of the Pharoahs, and they lived at the same time. So, Pharoahs 1 - Joshua 0.

Yes, I am talking about Archbishop of Canterbury. He is ineffectual. Rubbish, and his preaching often backfires. For example, when he condemns books. His Dark Materials trilogy. He condemns, everyone buys. DaVinci Code. He and the Pope condemn, everyone buys. And ABC and ABY (Archbishop of York, a much nicer person and used to be more powerful too) is in YPC (Young People's Code) from the PR industry. And do stop calling me kid, it degrades us both.

Look, I want you to read this very, very slowly. So you don't miss this; Lee Strobel has an agenda. It is not to inform. It is not to educate. It is to sell books. And logic? Logically, science pwns religon. Humans do not think in logic. Humans are erratic and unpredictable. And you certainly don't read with an open mind. Otherwise you would have considered this about Lee Strobel, you wouldn't just assume Anglicanism is the only true denomination of Christianity. You would have considered the viewpoints of other religons.

Go on then.

 

And see, no open mindedness again. You claim the Gospels were picked by God, no. Constantine. I have to keep saying this again and again don't I? Constantine was the one who shaped the modern Bible. He decided which accounts of Jesus' life should be put in the Bible. He ommited all the ones which did not show Jesus as the Messiah and he then edited them so it showed Jesus as a godly figure. He chose four gospels of the four ones which showed him most as the son of God. We have evidence that he did so, we have the Dead Sea scrolls, we have the thousands of accounts of people who your so called Messiah touched upon. And they all contradict the four you revere so much. And why should the four be any more true than the thousands? Why should the other writings of the diciples be any less valid either? Why can't Judas' claim that Jesus selected that it was he who made Judas commit the act for him be true? Why is it so hard to believe that maybe Jesus was just a prophet? No open mind. Your bible is not the truth set in stone. God did not smite Constantine when he changed it, he did not guide anyone when they wrote their accounts.

Stop calling me friend, it is irritating when people are being false. And for goodness sake, you cannot deny bones in the ground. You cannot deny something which has a true physical nature, these are rocks. Taken out of the ground. They cannot have been tampered with, they cannot be doctored. Especially those brought out in a huge, intact slab. Right, and do not say about the Behemoth or any other biblical monsters, because their descriptions are nothing like those bones which are being excavated. Do not claim that carbon dating doesn't work either because you can make a crisp packet date back to the Ancient Egyptians with some crazy glue, a microwave and some tin foil because, although this may shock you deeply, fossils have been just slightly too far down for much of their lives to be coated in crazy glue and tin foil and the shoved in a microwave. And, evolution through fossils as well; Oh look, I can see human evolution. Darn, I mean how upsetting. You can get individual fossils which share DNA and demonstrated the changes in DNA until you get Homo Sapien. And continental drift as well, I mean, there is evidence which you can't deny that it happened. But according to the word of God as you insist on calling it, it has always been the same or rather there has always been the Middle East. And what point would conitental drift do for God anyway? An added feature like heated seats in a car? "HMMM... YES, I WILL OPT FOR THE CONTRARY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PACK PLEASE. COULD YOU THROW IN A PACKET OF JUDAS-Os TOO?"

And you live in a dictatorship-to-be, also known as a republic. It is not democratic and it is certainly not a people's vote. Plus, just because we have a monarchy doesn't mean that the leader has any power does it? We have one of the most democatic systems in the world, as does most of Europe. Whereas you live in a country where free speech is not allowed thanks to... the FCC. Where the police can shoot someone dead and not face accountability. A country where you can be monitored without your knowledge. So don't give me a lecture on democracy. Oh yes, and you cannot declare that you believe in anything but Captalism and liberal is a dirty word. Flies outnumber you too.

You don't know, so don't try to say you do. Plus Catholicism is the root of all Christianity. And that isn't true as, if you read what I said it stated early not "recent changes for those who get a bit confused with thou." And you have made similar arguments such as "I could go on, but I need to go elsewhere."

 

Plus, old and outmoded science? Ha. Says you with the geriatric religon over 2000 years old, models of belief which still adhere to medieval ones and a claim that the earth is 4000 years old because of what a Victorian Bishop said. Oh yes, science which is 120 years old is obviously more outdated than religons which date back millenia.

AND YOU DID THE MONKEY THING AGAIN. STOP OBSESSING WITH SIMIANS. And please don't patronise.

[Topazia]

To TGHL: My friend, you dodge the issue of proving your faiths true. Why? I want to know more about evolutionism and atheism. I want to know the science behind it. I want to undrstand you better. Why do I want this? I want to know more because I value you as a friend, and what good is a friend if you don't know anything about what they stand on? You took religion courses in school. I wish I could have. You know more about my beliefs than I know about yours, and that puts you at quite an unfair advantage. You can bash my faith and come up with old, outmoded science to try to disprove it, and I can't do anything but defend myself with what I know. I'd like to know more, so I can at least point out to you that no science is without loopholes. I don't want to know so I can attack you. I want to know my friends and why they think the way they do. I don't like to argue and debate when the playing field isn't even. Besides, if I know what you know, maybe I'll discover that you are right after all. But I have to say, I'd like if you would look at my stance with as open a mind as I look at yours. I don't know enough to really say anything but I'm right, and if I'm wrong, and you're right, I want to know if I'm nothing but a smart monkey. You're a smart kid. I like to read what you have to say, because you have a vast knowledge that I wish I had the chance to have. I have no choice but to keep an open mind, because otherwise, I might miss a vital piece of information that will determine the course of my life. I think far too highly of you, and everyone else here, to give you anything less than my undivided, unprejudiced attention.

 

To everyone: How does something infinite grow? How did the universe come about? Where do black holes go? What is the center of the universe? How do we now the universe is infinite? A chocolate napkin award to the person who gives a detailed and sensible answer!

Right. Even if Tayino has converted to Satanism, so what? What makes Satanism any worse than say... the Amish? He has the right to live his life the way he wants and will probably do so. And, oh glorious day, you are comparing me to Joshua who you just said was indecisive and uncharismatic. And did he do alright? No. Because he has some pages in a book, in the section where no one looks or talks about. Everyone in the western world has heard of Ramses or one of the Pharoahs, and they lived at the same time. So, Pharoahs 1 - Joshua 0.

Yes, I am talking about Archbishop of Canterbury. He is ineffectual. Rubbish, and his preaching often backfires. For example, when he condemns books. His Dark Materials trilogy. He condemns, everyone buys. DaVinci Code. He and the Pope condemn, everyone buys. And ABC and ABY (Archbishop of York, a much nicer person and used to be more powerful too) is in YPC (Young People's Code) from the PR industry. And do stop calling me kid, it degrades us both.

Look, I want you to read this very, very slowly. So you don't miss this; Lee Strobel has an agenda. It is not to inform. It is not to educate. It is to sell books. And logic? Logically, science pwns religon. Humans do not think in logic. Humans are erratic and unpredictable. And you certainly don't read with an open mind. Otherwise you would have considered this about Lee Strobel, you wouldn't just assume Anglicanism is the only true denomination of Christianity. You would have considered the viewpoints of other religons.

Go on then.

 

And see, no open mindedness again. You claim the Gospels were picked by God, no. Constantine. I have to keep saying this again and again don't I? Constantine was the one who shaped the modern Bible. He decided which accounts of Jesus' life should be put in the Bible. He ommited all the ones which did not show Jesus as the Messiah and he then edited them so it showed Jesus as a godly figure. He chose four gospels of the four ones which showed him most as the son of God. We have evidence that he did so, we have the Dead Sea scrolls, we have the thousands of accounts of people who your so called Messiah touched upon. And they all contradict the four you revere so much. And why should the four be any more true than the thousands? Why should the other writings of the diciples be any less valid either? Why can't Judas' claim that Jesus selected that it was he who made Judas commit the act for him be true? Why is it so hard to believe that maybe Jesus was just a prophet? No open mind. Your bible is not the truth set in stone. God did not smite Constantine when he changed it, he did not guide anyone when they wrote their accounts.

Stop calling me friend, it is irritating when people are being false. And for goodness sake, you cannot deny bones in the ground. You cannot deny something which has a true physical nature, these are rocks. Taken out of the ground. They cannot have been tampered with, they cannot be doctored. Especially those brought out in a huge, intact slab. Right, and do not say about the Behemoth or any other biblical monsters, because their descriptions are nothing like those bones which are being excavated. Do not claim that carbon dating doesn't work either because you can make a crisp packet date back to the Ancient Egyptians with some crazy glue, a microwave and some tin foil because, although this may shock you deeply, fossils have been just slightly too far down for much of their lives to be coated in crazy glue and tin foil and the shoved in a microwave. And, evolution through fossils as well; Oh look, I can see human evolution. Darn, I mean how upsetting. You can get individual fossils which share DNA and demonstrated the changes in DNA until you get Homo Sapien. And continental drift as well, I mean, there is evidence which you can't deny that it happened. But according to the word of God as you insist on calling it, it has always been the same or rather there has always been the Middle East. And what point would conitental drift do for God anyway? An added feature like heated seats in a car? "HMMM... YES, I WILL OPT FOR THE CONTRARY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PACK PLEASE. COULD YOU THROW IN A PACKET OF JUDAS-Os TOO?"

And you live in a dictatorship-to-be, also known as a republic. It is not democratic and it is certainly not a people's vote. Plus, just because we have a monarchy doesn't mean that the leader has any power does it? We have one of the most democatic systems in the world, as does most of Europe. Whereas you live in a country where free speech is not allowed thanks to... the FCC. Where the police can shoot someone dead and not face accountability. A country where you can be monitored without your knowledge. So don't give me a lecture on democracy. Oh yes, and you cannot declare that you believe in anything but Captalism and liberal is a dirty word. Flies outnumber you too.

You don't know, so don't try to say you do. Plus Catholicism is the root of all Christianity. And that isn't true as, if you read what I said it stated early not "recent changes for those who get a bit confused with thou." And you have made similar arguments such as "I could go on, but I need to go elsewhere."

 

Plus, old and outmoded science? Ha. Says you with the geriatric religon over 2000 years old, models of belief which still adhere to medieval ones and a claim that the earth is 4000 years old because of what a Victorian Bishop said. Oh yes, science which is 120 years old is obviously more outdated than religons which date back millenia.

AND YOU DID THE MONKEY THING AGAIN. STOP OBSESSING WITH SIMIANS. And please don't patronise.

I love you. Do you really think I could say that to a complete stranger if I didn't have some backing behind it? Here's the catch: I really do.

 

If you don't like it, you don't have to. You can read it, make a weird face, and move on. But know this: before I chose Christianity over Atheism, which was where I was going from Agnosticism, I could hardly be honest and tell my mother I love her. Now, I can go to a random shmuck off the street and honestly say, I love you.

 

That includes you.

All of you.

 

Uncomfortable? Get used to it.

I'm not sorry for who I am. I'm through with that masquerade.

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You still dodged proving your beliefs true, TGHL! All you did was try to disprove mine!

You are trapped. You can't prove you are right.

 

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A chocolate napkin award to the first person to give me a good answer!

Q:How does something infinite grow? How did the universe come about? Where do black holes go? What is the center of the universe? How do we now the universe is infinite?

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[Taynio]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

[Horatio]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Taynio... I think you will enjoy learning about the Celts and becoming a Celtic Druid. Let me know how it works out for you.

[Kenny Boy's Return]

Forgot my password but gosh, when I made this topic I did not think it would spiral out of control by this much, not to mention it's FIXED now.

 

Listen, I was an immature 12 year-old when I made this topic and I would just like to say that being extremely devoted to faith in Catholicism then, I did not possess the intellect to defend my position.

 

No don't take this as me coming back, I just wanted to see what was going on.

 

Where'd Sheena go?

[Kenny Boy's Return]

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i like it better cause in scripture it says not all that say lord lord will be saved.i know people think were brainwashed but were not i beleive in Jesus and live him as my own brother.(because he is

What Scripture id that? Do you belive in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour? That's what gets you to Heaven.

I do beleive he is but u still hafta work for salvation, when moses gets the cammandments God tells him to follow these if u want eternal salvation.

Matthew 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.</font>

<font color='#32CD32'>Right. Asking God for help does nothing, you need to repent of your sins and ask Jesus to be your Saviour. That is the will of our Father in Heaven.</font>

That is EXACTLY why we have confession! If you were truly sorry for your sins and want to repent then you should have no problem confessing to the MEDIATOR between us and Jesus, that's the PRIEST. You aren't making it a public thing!

[Kenny Boy's Return]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

[Horatio]

Kenny Boy... how great to see you! I do hope you will stop in every now and then. How has life been treating you? Glad to see you thought of everyone here. We have missed you!

[Kenny Boy's Return]

Kenny Boy... how great to see you! I do hope you will stop in every now and then. How has life been treating you? Glad to see you thought of everyone here. We have missed you!

No problem man. Gosh time flies. A ton has changed in 3 years... I'm 15 now, I am driving, I still play guitar night and day, even stronger Catholic than before, about a foot taller, lol...

 

What's the scoop? Sheena left? Did Jesusfreak leave? You wouldn't be able to get me my old password would you? Or is my account gone completely?

[Topazia]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

I'm not judging you, Taynio. I count you as a friend, which means I can't judge you. I can be angry with others, I just can't make fun and degrade them. I realize now that I did so to many of my friends on here, and I owe everyone an apology. My opinions haven't changed, I still think nonChristians are making a big mistake, but I shouldn't deliberately hurt you.

 

However, I don't care about offending anyone. If youare offended by my use of the right to free speech, then that's your problem. I can express my thoughts if I want, and I haven't read a verse about that. In fact, my Bible says to tell the world about my faith and how wrong anything else is, so there.

 

And Taynio? You have commitment issues.

 

And I love you. Don't like it? Bummer, dude. That doesn't change my take.

 

This is no longer a debate. Debates require both sides to put forth evidence for their opinion, and some people are only bashing others' religions. *throws a glance at the phoenix who knows exactly what I'm talking about*

 

People think I'm weird for saying I love complete strangers. They say I'm abnormal for my opinions and my beliefs. They say I'm stupid for bringing my cross everywhere (metaphorically, of course), and they look down on me for it. You all have seen how I write and talk, because my verbage is how I write. What you see is what you get with me, and if you don't like a part of me, then you're out of luck, because I'm one package; you can't pick and choose. If you read some of my poetry and stories in the other forum, you can see how I have come from a dark past. I was hurt as a toddler. That has affected my every move. It kept me from becoming a real Christian until I was FIFTEEN. I think I've come a long way from the little abused child with no daddy unless you count her mommy's tomboy side.

 

They say I'm crazy. I know I am. I've never been diagnosed, but I know I am. I don't think like everyone else. My brain's chemistry is different. I don't know why. I'm different. I do poorly in school, yet my IQ is through the roof. I'm well into the "genius" category. I'm smart and creative and very determined, but I prefer average. Do you really think I like being "special"? I don't really like being unique. I like average. I yearn with my whole heart for average. Being above average is part of what kept me from believing. Now that I do believe, I acknowledge my rocky past and use it to reach others. I remember the holes in my heart being filled with God's presence. It was the most amazing feeling ever. As an "above average" thinker, I see the world differently. My friends are straight from wackyland. I know "normal" people who are twice as strong in the Christian faith as I am, so I know that God is for everyone. I know that there is something more. I have all the evidence I need in movies (not the Passion), books (not the Bible or religious texts), and in the nature of the world itself. I'm saying this because I don't want you to think I like telling you you're wrong. I like peace. But the only way that will happen is if we all believe in peace. I have to go to church now. Bye.

[Mega Wolf]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Oh, no, I don't think it's an argument. I think Topazia just possibly, whether accidentally or not I do not no, may have made a rude remark about Satanists. I'm not sure, I don't care to read entire rants because every time, it's the same thing, just worded differently.

 

Anyways, Kenny Boy, glad to see you're... sorta back. Should hope that you drop by occasionally, rather than just this once. Sheena comes back every now and then. She made a quick stop for a few days a few months ago. I believe she just comes when she can.

[Taynio]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Calm down?!?! You ask me to calm down?! Or rather you are telling... but there is no difference in that.

I will NOT calm down when someone talkes badly against me. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the friction between both sides (christian and nonchristian). NOW that ISN'T to say I do not mind reading gentle and peaceful debates about the subject. But when people get personal and use aggression (bad aggresssion)... well that just make me mad.

[Horatio]

Kenny Boy... how great to see you! I do hope you will stop in every now and then. How has life been treating you? Glad to see you thought of everyone here. We have missed you!

No problem man. Gosh time flies. A ton has changed in 3 years... I'm 15 now, I am driving, I still play guitar night and day, even stronger Catholic than before, about a foot taller, lol...

 

What's the scoop? Sheena left? Did Jesusfreak leave? You wouldn't be able to get me my old password would you? Or is my account gone completely?

Here is what I will do. I will ask HampsterKing to change your old password to Horatio (capitol H, lower case oratio), this way you can get into your old Kenny Boy and then change your password to a different one. Please then update your email address and if you forget it, you can click on the lost password function and it will be emailed to you.

[Kenny Boy's Return]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Calm down?!?! You ask me to calm down?! Or rather you are telling... but there is no difference in that.

I will NOT calm down when someone talkes badly against me. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the friction between both sides (christian and nonchristian). NOW that ISN'T to say I do not mind reading gentle and peaceful debates about the subject. But when people get personal and use aggression (bad aggresssion)... well that just make me mad.

Like I said we are not getting personal, did I say anything about you? No. Did I say anything bad about your religion? No. Of course there is going to be friction between two very opposite things such as Christian and Non-Christian, it's expected, a little friction and healthy argument is fine and actually fundamental if you want to grow in your particular faith. I know that no matter what I will find a way to defend my Religion in a mature and peaceful way and there is nothing you could say about the Catholic Church that would offend me because I have faith and trust in not just Jesus, but the TRINITY and the Church that Jesus founded on earth, the Catholic Church.

[Horatio]

Kenny Boy'sReturn... I have sent HampsterKing an email to change your old password to Horatio (Upper case H and lower case oratio). When you get in, please change your password and update your email. This way, if you forget your new password, you can just have it sent to your email address.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Calm down?!?! You ask me to calm down?! Or rather you are telling... but there is no difference in that.

I will NOT calm down when someone talkes badly against me. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the friction between both sides (christian and nonchristian). NOW that ISN'T to say I do not mind reading gentle and peaceful debates about the subject. But when people get personal and use aggression (bad aggresssion)... well that just make me mad.

And I'm rather sceptical about true Christians and the while life thing anyway. And the fact Topazia refuses to read my posts properly... Regardless, we have no evidence that anyone here posesses any real zeal anyway. We have only words to go on as we cannot see what goes on in their mind and see what they really feel. AND very few Christians throw their lives away (martyrs) or go on crusades (peaceful or with maces) do so for unselfish means, most want power, glory or a seat next to God which really is the only reason anyone believes in god, a somewhat unstable and unfulfilling promise that if they are good little boys and girls they get to go to Heaven. Where there is chocolate. Brainwashing in a rather McDonalds way comes to mind. I'm drifting...

[Taynio]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Calm down?!?! You ask me to calm down?! Or rather you are telling... but there is no difference in that.

I will NOT calm down when someone talkes badly against me. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the friction between both sides (christian and nonchristian). NOW that ISN'T to say I do not mind reading gentle and peaceful debates about the subject. But when people get personal and use aggression (bad aggresssion)... well that just make me mad.

Like I said we are not getting personal, did I say anything about you? No. Did I say anything bad about your religion? No. Of course there is going to be friction between two very opposite things such as Christian and Non-Christian, it's expected, a little friction and healthy argument is fine and actually fundamental if you want to grow in your particular faith. I know that no matter what I will find a way to defend my Religion in a mature and peaceful way and there is nothing you could say about the Catholic Church that would offend me because I have faith and trust in not just Jesus, but the TRINITY and the Church that Jesus founded on earth, the Catholic Church.

Realized by now you should have that I wasn't talking about you... The person I was talking to should know who they are.

 

It is good that you love your faith so much. Don't lose that. But next time.. try not to get in my way.. I lose my head.. A LOT and yeah.. I kind of become a new person.

 

And I am talking about the whole topic- beginning to now. And yes, there have been people getting personal.

[Jesusfreak]

lol I'm still here. And kennyboy, you didn't create this topic, I did. but when it was transferred from the old boards things got garbled up and it put you as the first post. Gosh, I think this topic is nearly 3 years old.

 

I haven't had a chance to go back and read the posts I've missed, but yes, God did tell us to love each other and basically to be nice. At the same time, everyone needs to calm down and not take things so personally. It's very hard to determine tone of voice through a message board post. what someone might regard as an insult might have just been an offhand comment with no bad intentions. just keep that in mind.

[Jesusfreak]

Ah, okay. So we're talking about creation and proving everyone else wrong. First of all, CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY. And TGHL, you ARE a kid. Get over it. And yes, America is a republic (and to the republic, for which it stands...). And yes, our government is going downhill fast. I would not be too surprised if the events predicted in Revelation occur within our lifetime.

 

As for creation, let's start with life. We know about natural selection. Okay, so the gene pool changes over time. And we know that scientists have created the organic compounds necesary for life by zapping dirt with electricity. But explain this: why can't the scientists zap their compounds into life?

 

And if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then where did the matter come from? The same for energy.

 

Yes, there are lots of "christians" who mess things up and contradict themselves. Please do not judge those of us that are real Christians based on the foolish actions of others. The sad truth is that most people who claim to be Christians really aren't. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds makes you a hamburger." For some background info for anyone who doesn't know me, I'm a by-the-book born again Christian. I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I also believe that much of science and the Bible complement each other, which makes sense if you consider that God created everything that science tries to explain. Where science breaks down, God fills it in. And when people are confused about things in the Bible, sometimes science can explain it. And sometimes it doesn't. Because God can be strange like that.

 

And on a side note, don't take offence to anything I say. I'm not tryng to upset or insult anyone, so don't take it like that. I'm just very blunt and straight forward sometimes.

[Topazia]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

Calm down man, nobody here is really fighting, they are true Christians willing to defend their views with their life and it is great they have such zeal to defend it.

Calm down?!?! You ask me to calm down?! Or rather you are telling... but there is no difference in that.

I will NOT calm down when someone talkes badly against me. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the friction between both sides (christian and nonchristian). NOW that ISN'T to say I do not mind reading gentle and peaceful debates about the subject. But when people get personal and use aggression (bad aggresssion)... well that just make me mad.

Hey, I try to be nice here. I could go all out and bash you like a certain person does me, but I'm not going to sink to that level. I love you. I don't want to hurt your feelings.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

This is no longer a debate. Debates require both sides to put forth evidence for their opinion, and some people are only bashing others' religions. *throws a glance at the phoenix who knows exactly what I'm talking about*

I feel a particuarly derisive laugh is in order here; *laughs deresively* Of course you are so much better Topazia as your side of the argument seems to consist of me saying something and you either skipping over it, repeatedly say "I love you", get confused about the two Archbishops, refuse to give evidence, quote the Bible or anything else which could be mildly taken as an intellectual point about why Christianity is any better than the other religons or why it is true, ask for me to give evidence and when I do, not read it and generally complain how this rapidly declining debate is all one sided, how you have on repeated occasions not under any circumstances just repeatedly bashed everything from Mormonism to Aethiesm (spot the sarcasam and for whoever is our resident Mormon, I did not pick Mormons as an extreme, I just chose them at random, well not really since Topazia has bashed them amongst those other delightful denominations the Church manages to spawn off every time someone speaks) and mentioned Lee Strobel without evidence or quotes that are in the belonging to him. Oh yes, and how could I forget, mentioned your youth pastor. Anything else? Thrown meanicing glances. Decided that it would save time by not bothering to respond properly. Wrote some poetry, or maybe that was Topazia 1.0. Are you like Windows ME? You upgrade from '98 thinking it would be better and get ME, but all you get is blue screen and end up swearing at it and shut it down. So when will you go to XP mode? I'm drifting again, but the point remains standing. Oh, and for provoking a response out of me for a particularly obtuse and disregarding remark, you get the dreaded word thrown in;

Hypocriscy.

[Jesusfreak]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

This is no longer a debate. Debates require both sides to put forth evidence for their opinion, and some people are only bashing others' religions. *throws a glance at the phoenix who knows exactly what I'm talking about*

I feel a particuarly derisive laugh is in order here; *laughs deresively* Of course you are so much better Topazia as your side of the argument seems to consist of me saying something and you either skipping over it, repeatedly say "I love you", get confused about the two Archbishops, refuse to give evidence, quote the Bible or anything else which could be mildly taken as an intellectual point about why Christianity is any better than the other religons or why it is true, ask for me to give evidence and when I do, not read it and generally complain how this rapidly declining debate is all one sided, how you have on repeated occasions not under any circumstances just repeatedly bashed everything from Mormonism to Aethiesm (spot the sarcasam and for whoever is our resident Mormon, I did not pick Mormons as an extreme, I just chose them at random, well not really since Topazia has bashed them amongst those other delightful denominations the Church manages to spawn off every time someone speaks) and mentioned Lee Strobel without evidence or quotes that are in the belonging to him. Oh yes, and how could I forget, mentioned your youth pastor. Anything else? Thrown meanicing glances. Decided that it would save time by not bothering to respond properly. Wrote some poetry, or maybe that was Topazia 1.0. Are you like Windows ME? You upgrade from '98 thinking it would be better and get ME, but all you get is blue screen and end up swearing at it and shut it down. So when will you go to XP mode? I'm drifting again, but the point remains standing. Oh, and for provoking a response out of me for a particularly obtuse and disregarding remark, you get the dreaded word thrown in;

Hypocriscy.

*groans* I thought we were debating religion, not each other.

[Mega Wolf]

Haha, once again things are starting to heat up in the religion topic.

 

On a Mormon note, I've heard that the creator of the Book of Mormon said o-on his deathbed that he made it up? I wouldn't know, I don't have completely reliable sources, I was just wondering if anyone else had any information on that. I'm not going to state my personal opinions of the Book of Mormon, as no matter what I say(positive or negative) someone is going to get on me about it.

[Kenny Boy]

Ah, okay. So we're talking about creation and proving everyone else wrong. First of all, CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY. And TGHL, you ARE a kid. Get over it. And yes, America is a republic (and to the republic, for which it stands...). And yes, our government is going downhill fast. I would not be too surprised if the events predicted in Revelation occur within our lifetime.

 

As for creation, let's start with life. We know about natural selection. Okay, so the gene pool changes over time. And we know that scientists have created the organic compounds necesary for life by zapping dirt with electricity. But explain this: why can't the scientists zap their compounds into life?

 

And if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then where did the matter come from? The same for energy.

 

Yes, there are lots of "christians" who mess things up and contradict themselves. Please do not judge those of us that are real Christians based on the foolish actions of others. The sad truth is that most people who claim to be Christians really aren't. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds makes you a hamburger." For some background info for anyone who doesn't know me, I'm a by-the-book born again Christian. I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I also believe that much of science and the Bible complement each other, which makes sense if you consider that God created everything that science tries to explain. Where science breaks down, God fills it in. And when people are confused about things in the Bible, sometimes science can explain it. And sometimes it doesn't. Because God can be strange like that.

 

And on a side note, don't take offence to anything I say. I'm not tryng to upset or insult anyone, so don't take it like that. I'm just very blunt and straight forward sometimes.

How can you say Catholicism isn't the root of all Christianity? It was the only form of Christianity for over 1000 years! Then Martin Luther decides that the Church is wrong and that he needs to remove books from the Bible? You know the true story right? Martin Luther didn't like the fact that there were Catholics that were doing wrong (doesn't everybody?) and he failed to see that no matter what a small minority in any group does it doesn't mean that the whole group is corrupt and wrong! If I go down Gratiot 10 miles to 8 mile and see one black kid that's spraypainting a wall does that mean I should say that all black people vandalize? No, that would be racist and stupid. So then why did Martin Luther feel the Catholic Church was wrong? The fact is he agreed on very many of the Church's teachings, one of the biggest being the EUCHARIST! He believed that the Eucharist TRULY IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

You are 100% right on the Science statement. God created everything and you would have to be pretty dense to not think that there is intelligent design behind the many complex systems that make up our world. It's not that God's strange, it's just that we couldn't comprehend everything he has created.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Do not make me angry...

 

I am no longer a spiritual satanist, I am training to become a celtic druid. Yeah I cannot make my mind up and choose the most unusual things...

 

But I will not let you talk about me and my choice of faith/religion. Just beause of my belief and the way I choose to live gives you no right to talk about me unjustly.

 

I have had enough of it... everyone here talks so mean to each other!

If you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all! And if you are going to "debate", then use some common sense and think about what you are going to put down and hope you will no offend someone.

 

If you are calling yourself christian and you believe in "love thy neighbor", do NOT act angry towards another.. because wouldn't that be a sin??

 

If you are not christian, still please be nice. It makes things a whole LOT BETTER for EVERYONE if you are.

This is no longer a debate. Debates require both sides to put forth evidence for their opinion, and some people are only bashing others' religions. *throws a glance at the phoenix who knows exactly what I'm talking about*

I feel a particuarly derisive laugh is in order here; *laughs deresively* Of course you are so much better Topazia as your side of the argument seems to consist of me saying something and you either skipping over it, repeatedly say "I love you", get confused about the two Archbishops, refuse to give evidence, quote the Bible or anything else which could be mildly taken as an intellectual point about why Christianity is any better than the other religons or why it is true, ask for me to give evidence and when I do, not read it and generally complain how this rapidly declining debate is all one sided, how you have on repeated occasions not under any circumstances just repeatedly bashed everything from Mormonism to Aethiesm (spot the sarcasam and for whoever is our resident Mormon, I did not pick Mormons as an extreme, I just chose them at random, well not really since Topazia has bashed them amongst those other delightful denominations the Church manages to spawn off every time someone speaks) and mentioned Lee Strobel without evidence or quotes that are in the belonging to him. Oh yes, and how could I forget, mentioned your youth pastor. Anything else? Thrown meanicing glances. Decided that it would save time by not bothering to respond properly. Wrote some poetry, or maybe that was Topazia 1.0. Are you like Windows ME? You upgrade from '98 thinking it would be better and get ME, but all you get is blue screen and end up swearing at it and shut it down. So when will you go to XP mode? I'm drifting again, but the point remains standing. Oh, and for provoking a response out of me for a particularly obtuse and disregarding remark, you get the dreaded word thrown in;

Hypocriscy.

*groans* I thought we were debating religion, not each other.

I suppose the childish thing here would be to eat paste and claim Topazia was the one who started character assassination. So... *eats some paste* *mumbles through paste* *paste is radioactive* *starts glowing*

[Topazia]

This is no longer a debate. Debates require both sides to put forth evidence for their opinion, and some people are only bashing others' religions. *throws a glance at the phoenix who knows exactly what I'm talking about*

I feel a particuarly derisive laugh is in order here; *laughs deresively* Of course you are so much better Topazia as your side of the argument seems to consist of me saying something and you either skipping over it, repeatedly say "I love you", get confused about the two Archbishops, refuse to give evidence, quote the Bible or anything else which could be mildly taken as an intellectual point about why Christianity is any better than the other religons or why it is true, ask for me to give evidence and when I do, not read it and generally complain how this rapidly declining debate is all one sided, how you have on repeated occasions not under any circumstances just repeatedly bashed everything from Mormonism to Aethiesm (spot the sarcasam and for whoever is our resident Mormon, I did not pick Mormons as an extreme, I just chose them at random, well not really since Topazia has bashed them amongst those other delightful denominations the Church manages to spawn off every time someone speaks) and mentioned Lee Strobel without evidence or quotes that are in the belonging to him. Oh yes, and how could I forget, mentioned your youth pastor. Anything else? Thrown meanicing glances. Decided that it would save time by not bothering to respond properly. Wrote some poetry, or maybe that was Topazia 1.0. Are you like Windows ME? You upgrade from '98 thinking it would be better and get ME, but all you get is blue screen and end up swearing at it and shut it down. So when will you go to XP mode? I'm drifting again, but the point remains standing. Oh, and for provoking a response out of me for a particularly obtuse and disregarding remark, you get the dreaded word thrown in;

Hypocriscy.

Hypocrisy? Look in the mirror, TGHL! You're telling me to prove my faith true, and you're not doing anything to support your beliefs!

 

Ah, okay. So we're talking about creation and proving everyone else wrong. First of all, CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY. And TGHL, you ARE a kid. Get over it. And yes, America is a republic (and to the republic, for which it stands...). And yes, our government is going downhill fast. I would not be too surprised if the events predicted in Revelation occur within our lifetime.

 

As for creation, let's start with life. We know about natural selection. Okay, so the gene pool changes over time. And we know that scientists have created the organic compounds necesary for life by zapping dirt with electricity. But explain this: why can't the scientists zap their compounds into life?

 

And if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then where did the matter come from? The same for energy.

 

Yes, there are lots of "christians" who mess things up and contradict themselves. Please do not judge those of us that are real Christians based on the foolish actions of others. The sad truth is that most people who claim to be Christians really aren't. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds makes you a hamburger." For some background info for anyone who doesn't know me, I'm a by-the-book born again Christian. I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I also believe that much of science and the Bible complement each other, which makes sense if you consider that God created everything that science tries to explain. Where science breaks down, God fills it in. And when people are confused about things in the Bible, sometimes science can explain it. And sometimes it doesn't. Because God can be strange like that.

 

And on a side note, don't take offence to anything I say. I'm not tryng to upset or insult anyone, so don't take it like that. I'm just very blunt and straight forward sometimes.

How can you say Catholicism isn't the root of all Christianity? It was the only form of Christianity for over 1000 years! Then Martin Luther decides that the Church is wrong and that he needs to remove books from the Bible? You know the true story right? Martin Luther didn't like the fact that there were Catholics that were doing wrong (doesn't everybody?) and he failed to see that no matter what a small minority in any group does it doesn't mean that the whole group is corrupt and wrong! If I go down Gratiot 10 miles to 8 mile and see one black kid that's spraypainting a wall does that mean I should say that all black people vandalize? No, that would be racist and stupid. So then why did Martin Luther feel the Catholic Church was wrong? The fact is he agreed on very many of the Church's teachings, one of the biggest being the EUCHARIST! He believed that the Eucharist TRULY IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

You are 100% right on the Science statement. God created everything and you would have to be pretty dense to not think that there is intelligent design behind the many complex systems that make up our world. It's not that God's strange, it's just that we couldn't comprehend everything he has created.

I never said that, I said that there are so many idiots who profess Christianity that it puts a stigma on our name! I wasn't actually pointing fingers at Catholicism. You took it out of context, so I can't tell what ur talking about, either.

 

The root of Christianity is actually nondenominational. Catholicism didn't come about until many years after the death and ressurection, my friend.

 

Hey, that's exactly what one of the guys Lee Strobel interviewed said abt the universe!

[Jesusfreak]

Ah, okay. So we're talking about creation and proving everyone else wrong. First of all, CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY. And TGHL, you ARE a kid. Get over it. And yes, America is a republic (and to the republic, for which it stands...). And yes, our government is going downhill fast. I would not be too surprised if the events predicted in Revelation occur within our lifetime.

 

As for creation, let's start with life. We know about natural selection. Okay, so the gene pool changes over time. And we know that scientists have created the organic compounds necesary for life by zapping dirt with electricity. But explain this: why can't the scientists zap their compounds into life?

 

And if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then where did the matter come from? The same for energy.

 

Yes, there are lots of "christians" who mess things up and contradict themselves. Please do not judge those of us that are real Christians based on the foolish actions of others. The sad truth is that most people who claim to be Christians really aren't. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds makes you a hamburger." For some background info for anyone who doesn't know me, I'm a by-the-book born again Christian. I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I also believe that much of science and the Bible complement each other, which makes sense if you consider that God created everything that science tries to explain. Where science breaks down, God fills it in. And when people are confused about things in the Bible, sometimes science can explain it. And sometimes it doesn't. Because God can be strange like that.

 

And on a side note, don't take offence to anything I say. I'm not tryng to upset or insult anyone, so don't take it like that. I'm just very blunt and straight forward sometimes.

How can you say Catholicism isn't the root of all Christianity? It was the only form of Christianity for over 1000 years! Then Martin Luther decides that the Church is wrong and that he needs to remove books from the Bible? You know the true story right? Martin Luther didn't like the fact that there were Catholics that were doing wrong (doesn't everybody?) and he failed to see that no matter what a small minority in any group does it doesn't mean that the whole group is corrupt and wrong! If I go down Gratiot 10 miles to 8 mile and see one black kid that's spraypainting a wall does that mean I should say that all black people vandalize? No, that would be racist and stupid. So then why did Martin Luther feel the Catholic Church was wrong? The fact is he agreed on very many of the Church's teachings, one of the biggest being the EUCHARIST! He believed that the Eucharist TRULY IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

You are 100% right on the Science statement. God created everything and you would have to be pretty dense to not think that there is intelligent design behind the many complex systems that make up our world. It's not that God's strange, it's just that we couldn't comprehend everything he has created.

 

Not true. If anything, Baptists were the first ones around. In fact John was baptizing people before Jesus even showed up. Also, these books you are talking about were written long after the 4 main gospels, and (to my knowledge) contradict much of what is generally included in the Bible. As for martin luthor, I never even brought him up, and it doesn't make much difference to me what he thought. And unfortunately, the Catholic church does tend to mess some stuff up. Many don't preach salvation, but getting to heaven by being good. (I can come up with tond of verses on that one.) They also focus more on the religion, "traditions of their fathers" if you will, than on their faith. Some of these traditions (like having some masses in Latin, a dead language) don't profit anything. Also, purgatory is not in the Bible.

 

Aside from all that, more evidence for Catholicism not being the root of all Christianity is that it's very formal and complicated. God didn't intend for people to have all these rituals and regulations. He wanted us to have a personal relationship with Him and to trust Him. Naturally, the first Christians had a simpler form, going just by the book. Catholics took this and made it much more ritualised and complicated than God intended. (in short, the natural flow of religion is from simple to complex).

 

And like I said before, I can find Bible verses to back this up.

[Kenny Boy]

Ah, okay. So we're talking about creation and proving everyone else wrong. First of all, CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY. And TGHL, you ARE a kid. Get over it. And yes, America is a republic (and to the republic, for which it stands...). And yes, our government is going downhill fast. I would not be too surprised if the events predicted in Revelation occur within our lifetime.

 

As for creation, let's start with life. We know about natural selection. Okay, so the gene pool changes over time. And we know that scientists have created the organic compounds necesary for life by zapping dirt with electricity. But explain this: why can't the scientists zap their compounds into life?

 

And if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then where did the matter come from? The same for energy.

 

Yes, there are lots of "christians" who mess things up and contradict themselves. Please do not judge those of us that are real Christians based on the foolish actions of others. The sad truth is that most people who claim to be Christians really aren't. "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to Mc Donalds makes you a hamburger." For some background info for anyone who doesn't know me, I'm a by-the-book born again Christian. I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I also believe that much of science and the Bible complement each other, which makes sense if you consider that God created everything that science tries to explain. Where science breaks down, God fills it in. And when people are confused about things in the Bible, sometimes science can explain it. And sometimes it doesn't. Because God can be strange like that.

 

And on a side note, don't take offence to anything I say. I'm not tryng to upset or insult anyone, so don't take it like that. I'm just very blunt and straight forward sometimes.

How can you say Catholicism isn't the root of all Christianity? It was the only form of Christianity for over 1000 years! Then Martin Luther decides that the Church is wrong and that he needs to remove books from the Bible? You know the true story right? Martin Luther didn't like the fact that there were Catholics that were doing wrong (doesn't everybody?) and he failed to see that no matter what a small minority in any group does it doesn't mean that the whole group is corrupt and wrong! If I go down Gratiot 10 miles to 8 mile and see one black kid that's spraypainting a wall does that mean I should say that all black people vandalize? No, that would be racist and stupid. So then why did Martin Luther feel the Catholic Church was wrong? The fact is he agreed on very many of the Church's teachings, one of the biggest being the EUCHARIST! He believed that the Eucharist TRULY IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

You are 100% right on the Science statement. God created everything and you would have to be pretty dense to not think that there is intelligent design behind the many complex systems that make up our world. It's not that God's strange, it's just that we couldn't comprehend everything he has created.

 

Not true. If anything, Baptists were the first ones around. In fact John was baptizing people before Jesus even showed up. Also, these books you are talking about were written long after the 4 main gospels, and (to my knowledge) contradict much of what is generally included in the Bible. As for martin luthor, I never even brought him up, and it doesn't make much difference to me what he thought. And unfortunately, the Catholic church does tend to mess some stuff up. Many don't preach salvation, but getting to heaven by being good. (I can come up with tond of verses on that one.) They also focus more on the religion, "traditions of their fathers" if you will, than on their faith. Some of these traditions (like having some masses in Latin, a dead language) don't profit anything. Also, purgatory is not in the Bible.

 

Aside from all that, more evidence for Catholicism not being the root of all Christianity is that it's very formal and complicated. God didn't intend for people to have all these rituals and regulations. He wanted us to have a personal relationship with Him and to trust Him. Naturally, the first Christians had a simpler form, going just by the book. Catholics took this and made it much more ritualised and complicated than God intended. (in short, the natural flow of religion is from simple to complex).

 

And like I said before, I can find Bible verses to back this up.

What are you talking about?! John the Baptist has nothing to do with starting the Baptist religion, that was after Luther (Can you say John Smyth in the 16th century?)

 

What do you mean without good works? You got it opposite! Protestants are the people that believe it doesn't matter what you do, as long as you have faith, that doesn't mean you can go to the corner and rob a 711 now does it?

 

And your bible book comment, let's see, your Bible lacks parts of Leviticus, 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, the last 6 chapters of Esther, Parts of Wisdom, Sirach, and 3 passages of Daniel... These are all old testament... Hmm... I wonder how that goes in with what you just claimed...

[Toto]

... And I thought Kenny Boy died.

[Horatio]

... And I thought Kenny Boy died.

He's back!

In this topic, I could say he arose from the dead.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

And here comes the in-fighting, schism causing arguments over your own beliefs. At the moment, it appears to be Kenny Boy and Topazia vs. Jesusfreak, but will Topazia make an unnecessary, inflammatory remark (following Rowan Williams' example) and cause Kenny Boy to turn on her? Ooh the mock tension, ooh the sarcasam coming from me, ooh Topazia failing to make any valid argument or point at all in keeping with her current trends (i.e. I have backed up my views, why not try reading my posts once in a while?) and ooh when will it end?

[Horatio]

And here comes the in-fighting, schism causing arguments over your own beliefs. At the moment, it appears to be Kenny Boy and Topazia vs. Jesusfreak, but will Topazia make an unnecessary, inflammatory remark (following Rowan Williams' example) and cause Kenny Boy to turn on her? Ooh the mock tension, ooh the sarcasam coming from me, ooh Topazia failing to make any valid argument or point at all in keeping with her current trends (i.e. I have backed up my views, why not try reading my posts once in a while?) and ooh when will it end?

T G H L !

I have my eye on you.

[Topazia]

And here comes the in-fighting, schism causing arguments over your own beliefs. At the moment, it appears to be Kenny Boy and Topazia vs. Jesusfreak, but will Topazia make an unnecessary, inflammatory remark (following Rowan Williams' example) and cause Kenny Boy to turn on her? Ooh the mock tension, ooh the sarcasam coming from me, ooh Topazia failing to make any valid argument or point at all in keeping with her current trends (i.e. I have backed up my views, why not try reading my posts once in a while?) and ooh when will it end?

I haven't seen anything evidencial come from your beak, Phoenix!

 

And anyway, we're not fighting and making schisms.

We're discussing something that you apparently don't care about.

These kids won't turn on me. I'm not even trying to get at Jesusfreak and Kenny Boy's goat.

 

Alas, if only you knew me for my real persona. Topazia and I are really quite similar, but in real life, I am not as open as I am here.

 

God bless!

♥♥♥

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[Jesusfreak]

This is getting stupid. You guys are all acting like brats making catty remarks. I'm not going to argue with people that aren't going to be respectful, so when you guys want to have a civilized debate, you can find my in my topic in Fuzzy.

[Horatio]

I'm not even trying to get at Jesusfreak and Kenny Boy's goat.

 

God bless!

♥♥♥

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Jesusfreak and Kenny Boy have goats???????

[The Grim Hamster lord]

And here comes the in-fighting, schism causing arguments over your own beliefs. At the moment, it appears to be Kenny Boy and Topazia vs. Jesusfreak, but will Topazia make an unnecessary, inflammatory remark (following Rowan Williams' example) and cause Kenny Boy to turn on her? Ooh the mock tension, ooh the sarcasam coming from me, ooh Topazia failing to make any valid argument or point at all in keeping with her current trends (i.e. I have backed up my views, why not try reading my posts once in a while?) and ooh when will it end?

T G H L !

I have my eye on you.

*looks gulitily at feet* Yes Horatio?

[Horatio]

And here comes the in-fighting, schism causing arguments over your own beliefs. At the moment, it appears to be Kenny Boy and Topazia vs. Jesusfreak, but will Topazia make an unnecessary, inflammatory remark (following Rowan Williams' example) and cause Kenny Boy to turn on her? Ooh the mock tension, ooh the sarcasam coming from me, ooh Topazia failing to make any valid argument or point at all in keeping with her current trends (i.e. I have backed up my views, why not try reading my posts once in a while?) and ooh when will it end?

T G H L !

I have my eye on you.

*looks gulitily at feet* Yes Horatio?

*realizes nothing additional needs to be said*

[Topazia]

This is getting stupid. You guys are all acting like brats making catty remarks. I'm not going to argue with people that aren't going to be respectful, so when you guys want to have a civilized debate, you can find my in my topic in Fuzzy.

Hey, I'm not acting like a brat. TGHL is deliberately picking at me. I am naturally inclined to stick up for myself.

 

I'm having a debate. I'm trying to support my claims with evidence. It's TGHL that won't back up his beliefs, and he's the one telling me to back it up!

 

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

[Horatio]

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

H o r a t i o only has 7 letters.

[Topazia]

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

H o r a t i o only has 7 letters.

lol, nice one, Horatio!

 

The second letter is Y...

[Horatio]

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

H o r a t i o only has 7 letters.

lol, nice one, Horatio!

 

The second letter is Y...

I thought you would like that. Also the reason I did not comment on your siggie is because I didn't want to mess up your siggie!

[The Grim Hamster lord]

This is getting stupid. You guys are all acting like brats making catty remarks. I'm not going to argue with people that aren't going to be respectful, so when you guys want to have a civilized debate, you can find my in my topic in Fuzzy.

Hey, I'm not acting like a brat. TGHL is deliberately picking at me. I am naturally inclined to stick up for myself.

 

I'm having a debate. I'm trying to support my claims with evidence. It's TGHL that won't back up his beliefs, and he's the one telling me to back it up!

 

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

Yes you are you sneaky little hypocrite (oh look, I managed to guess the word). I have repeatedly backed up my views with evidence and you just glance over it and your form of evidence is saying some quotation from your youth pastor.

[Jesse]

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe Jesus was just a prophet?

 

 

Because NO ONE has been able to disprove his ressurection, which is not only "religious" (christianity is a relationship, not really a religion) but also historical. Sure, there have been theories, but they all have their faults. I shall go through the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

 

1. Stolen body myth. Probably the most popular one, and there are two versions. I'll do them seperately.

 

Version "bribed" - The theory that the disciples bribed the roman soldiers guarding Jesus' tomb to steal his body. This is actually pretty viable until you get to the point where Christianity starts to spread. How come none of the disciples came out to say, "Just kidding, here's the body"? It would have been impossible to keep your mouth shut if you witholding a body started a wide-spread religion that you knew wasn't true. Also, why has Jesus' tomb NOT been found, with a skeleton inside? And why did the king feel threatened into ordering the soldiers to spread this very same myth? And how is it that the soldiers who were bribed were never ratted out? The other soldiers would've loved to appear loyal to the king by doing so. And the disciples would've been glad to rat out the bribery as well (although they might've raised suspisions).

 

Version "thief" - says that the disciples stole the body behind the soldiers' backs. Roman soldiers took shifts so that someone was always up. Also, even if the disciples managed to take out the group, they would've had to move the stone, which is humanly impossible. This version of the theory is pretty stupid.

 

2. Swoom myth - says that Jesus didn't die but just fell unconsious. This doesn't work because it would be impossible to anyone to live through a crucifiction and flogging. Also how would Jesus escape the tomb?

 

3. "Wrong tomb" myth - says that the two women that found the empty tomb actually found the wrong tomb. This could've been easily quelled by the roman guards pointing the ladies to the correct tomb.

 

4. Hallucination myth - says that the 500+ people who saw Jesus revived were simply hallucinating. That is ridiculous. Did all of them lose their contacts at the same time or something? Or maybe they all were drunk? Hardly likely. I'd like to see anyone back this one up.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

What about the Vatican's unofficial policy of that the truth hidden is of more help to the masses than the truth revealed? Sometimes what seems to be a miracle, but isn't in reality, should perhaps be kept quiet about as sometimes a lie can bring hope (that greatest of double-edged gifts) to an otherwise sick world. So, Jesus may have been a prophet, but it is better for the world to believe he was the son of God because then they have hope and something to believe in. Sometimes a lie is better than the truth. But that's just me musing on the human psyche.

[Jesse]

What about the Vatican's unofficial policy of that the truth hidden is of more help to the masses than the truth revealed? Sometimes what seems to be a miracle, but isn't in reality, should perhaps be kept quiet about as sometimes a lie can bring hope (that greatest of double-edged gifts) to an otherwise sick world. So, Jesus may have been a prophet, but it is better for the world to believe he was the son of God because then they have hope and something to believe in. Sometimes a lie is better than the truth. But that's just me musing on the human psyche.

 

That is interesting. But who would have started the lie that Jesus was raised after death? Not to mention all the other legends that have been recorded in the New Testament, such as the blind man gaining sight. Many of the people who testified to these things signed their written statements in blood, and many of them were either imprisoned or executed. Who would want to go through that to try and spread a lie? All these remarkable things were not done in a corner - that's the way Paul described it.

[Topazia]

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

H o r a t i o only has 7 letters.

lol, nice one, Horatio!

 

The second letter is Y...

I thought you would like that. Also the reason I did not comment on your siggie is because I didn't want to mess up your siggie!

Oh, I don't ,ind, Horatio!

 

This is getting stupid. You guys are all acting like brats making catty remarks. I'm not going to argue with people that aren't going to be respectful, so when you guys want to have a civilized debate, you can find my in my topic in Fuzzy.

Hey, I'm not acting like a brat. TGHL is deliberately picking at me. I am naturally inclined to stick up for myself.

 

I'm having a debate. I'm trying to support my claims with evidence. It's TGHL that won't back up his beliefs, and he's the one telling me to back it up!

 

I'm thinking of a 9-letter word beginning with H...

Yes you are you sneaky little hypocrite (oh look, I managed to guess the word). I have repeatedly backed up my views with evidence and you just glance over it and your form of evidence is saying some quotation from your youth pastor.

Hey, I don't use my pastor's lessons much anymore, phoenix! Yeah, what evidence? I saw the DaVinci code last night, and that was so fake! I know full well you saw it too, so go ahead, TGHL

 

What about the Vatican's unofficial policy of that the truth hidden is of more help to the masses than the truth revealed? Sometimes what seems to be a miracle, but isn't in reality, should perhaps be kept quiet about as sometimes a lie can bring hope (that greatest of double-edged gifts) to an otherwise sick world. So, Jesus may have been a prophet, but it is better for the world to believe he was the son of God because then they have hope and something to believe in. Sometimes a lie is better than the truth. But that's just me musing on the human psyche.

kuh! ye-NO! That is so wrong! I'd rather know if it was fake than follow something blindly! Why don't you actually READ some of the new science books coming out? They'll be in the religion section, but dang, they're good!

 

Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't go to the religious section.

Ever think to study more into the faith you so vehemently are trying to convince me is fake? You'd be surprised.

 

How's this: I dare you to check it out. If you still think it's balderdash AFTER YOU READ SOMETHING ABOUT THE "SUPPOSED" TRUTH, then you can tell me why. But I won't listen to your "evidence" until you are as educated as I am!

 

Oh, and Constantine had nothing to do with the canonization of the NT. I have to find the NONRELIGIOUS book that says so so I can tell you.

 

 

God bless! I love ya all!

 

♥♥♥♥♥

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[Mega Wolf]

I really do think some of the people here need a nap.

[Topazia]

I really do think some of the people here need a nap.

lol, I agree.

 

I know I need one...

 

♥♥♥♥♥

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[___]

I'm a Christian, and I'm proud of it! Why are you all fighting?

[lexxscrapham]

because they can, and also, perhaps because I'm too lazy to actually create Hamsterism as a religion.

[Horatio]

because they can, and also, perhaps because I'm too lazy to actually create Hamsterism as a religion.

We have been waiting for you to create a new religion.

[Topazia]

Someday, I am going to save the world.

I am going to show the world that it's okay to be submissive.

 

I wonder why it's an insult to be told you wear your faith on your sleeve.

Of course I do. How else can the spiritually blind see the Truth?

 

I used to wonder if it was okay or not to be seen in a rapt state. I've decided it's okay to let others see me, see my face so full of peace as I sing priase to the Most High.

 

I don't care if what I say is inflammatory. I want to stir up dissension. It makes for good conversation. I would love to see what others have to say about their faith, but it appears that the Phoenix and I have dominated this topic with useless banter, saying to prove each one's side but never responding to the other's challenge. Yes, I know I sound like a hypocrite...

 

Hypocrisy is not a crime. It is silly, but not a crime. If I say to a man, don't run, or you'll fall, and I run, I am not a hypocrite if he is wearing slippery shoes, and I am in good shoes. I am merely looking out for him. However, if I say one thing and then another the next moment, I am not a hypocrite. I am merely exercising my right as a human being to have a prerogative. I am a hypocrite if I do one thing and then say another, knowing that it is the exact same thing. That is hypocrisy.

 

To my good friend, the Phoenix:

You are a smart, clever, quick young man. You are so intelligent. You impress me daily with your sense of humor, as well as your well-stated responses to my deliberate adversities.

 

You are a cool person. I enjoy reading what you have to say. You have mature opinions, and plenty of brains to back up your arguements, when you want to back them up. I'm older than you, and yet you are smarter than I could be if I were iq'd at 160. I am drawn to people with your talents.

 

But (yes, you knew there would be a but) my friend, I am still concerned for you. I don't care if you don't like it; it's true. I care about all my friends, cyber or otherwise. I especially care about those I believe are in danger or are hurting somehow. (I'm trying my hardest to keep our feud out of this) You are my friend. I count you as a valuable source of opinion in this broken world. How many can say that I honestly listen to their opinion and let it impact me as I see fit?

 

I guess I just want to undo anything I've done to hurt your feelings by constantly arguing and bringing up our disaggreement everywhere. Yeah, I think it's important to talk about it, but not when neither of us really feel like bringing it up in some mundane topic about, i dunno, the weather.

 

To Taynio:

I think you're cool. I think you have interesting things to say, and you're smart. That's cool to me. That's why I say everyone here is cool, because everyone here seems to be the same, unique type of personality.

 

I respect you. I feel like I shouldn't because you're so dynamic in your thought processes, but I respect you as a friend and as a fellow human being. I have to. You are a member of the universe. That in itself is enough to deserve my attention.

 

To everyone else who has the idea to read this topic (welcome, ___):

GOD BLESS THE WORLD AND NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM SAYING THAT!!!

[Topazia]

are there any American Anglicans on here that know much about this past General Convention?

 

If so, what's your take? I'm so upset today because the Episcopal Church of the United States of America (ECUSA) is spillting from the World Anglican Communion, and only a few parishes and dioces are in the Network, which is the group in ECUSA that don't want to walk away from WAC, and I don't know what's going to happen. I have such a headache, and I've had it for three years now, ever since New Hampshire elected the actively gay Gene Robinson for bishop. Not only that, but now they've rejected a bill declaring Jesus as the Savior Son of God, AND that the Bible is the end-all (same bill). AND (if it wasn't bad enough already) they've PASSED a bill allowing for the consecration of gay marriage WHEN IT CLEARLY STATES ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE THAT BEING GAY IS WRONG!!!

 

I can give you a whole list of verses, thanks! Leviticus, Romans, I think Lamentations and Zephaniah all have refereces to how WRONG it is!

 

 

oh, and this is how I put it to my IM friends...

a Christian. I'm Episcopal. Well, the Episcopal Cursh of USA (ECUSA) is part of the World Anglican Council (WAC). ECUSA has decided 3 yrs ago to elect an actively gay bishop in NH. That made WAC mad, so they said, quit and be sorry or you can't be called Aglican anymore. Well, ECUSA didn't do that, so now WAC has said BACK OFF THE WAC UNTTILL YOU CHANGE UR WAYS. So the General Convention in Ohio a couple weeks ago, we decided to leave WAC, but some US Episc churches (Like mine) have decided to part with ECUSA and remain with WAC, and WAC is fine with that, but I'm worried about the youth and stuff like that because my youth triops are sponsored by ECUSA. So I'm screwed up today bc I don't know what's going to happen and I"M FRIED!!!

 

so I need someone silmilar to talk to. I'm not sorry.

[Topazia]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

[Horatio]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

[Topazia]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

[Horatio]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

I am sorry you are working on the fourth.

 

As for your life, consider it just a downhill to be followed by an uphill. Consider, if life always was flat with no ups and downs, then it would probably be quite boring. Of course, this does not help when you are on a downhill, but you do have someone who will listen. Sometimes it does not matter what denomination the listener is, just that they care enough to give you their time.

[Topazia]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

I am sorry you are working on the fourth.

 

As for your life, consider it just a downhill to be followed by an uphill. Consider, if life always was flat with no ups and downs, then it would probably be quite boring. Of course, this does not help when you are on a downhill, but you do have someone who will listen. Sometimes it does not matter what denomination the listener is, just that they care enough to give you their time.

except that rob doesn't understand half what comes out of my mouth since he's baptist, not episcopal, and he's also not the child of a vestry member...

 

all these hills give me motion sickness...

[Horatio]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

I am sorry you are working on the fourth.

 

As for your life, consider it just a downhill to be followed by an uphill. Consider, if life always was flat with no ups and downs, then it would probably be quite boring. Of course, this does not help when you are on a downhill, but you do have someone who will listen. Sometimes it does not matter what denomination the listener is, just that they care enough to give you their time.

except that rob doesn't understand half what comes out of my mouth since he's baptist, not episcopal, and he's also not the child of a vestry member...

 

all these hills give me motion sickness...

*gives Topazia a flat can of Coke to settle her stomach*

Please sip this very slowly.

 

It is okay that Rob does not understand. Perhaps this will be a learning experience for him. Please try and understand this hard time will pass. Some things just take time.

[Cheesus]

Someday, I am going to save the world.

I am going to show the world that it's okay to be submissive.

 

I wonder why it's an insult to be told you wear your faith on your sleeve.

Of course I do. How else can the spiritually blind see the Truth?

 

I used to wonder if it was okay or not to be seen in a rapt state. I've decided it's okay to let others see me, see my face so full of peace as I sing priase to the Most High.

 

I don't care if what I say is inflammatory. I want to stir up dissension. It makes for good conversation. I would love to see what others have to say about their faith, but it appears that the Phoenix and I have dominated this topic with useless banter, saying to prove each one's side but never responding to the other's challenge. Yes, I know I sound like a hypocrite...

 

Hypocrisy is not a crime. It is silly, but not a crime. If I say to a man, don't run, or you'll fall, and I run, I am not a hypocrite if he is wearing slippery shoes, and I am in good shoes. I am merely looking out for him. However, if I say one thing and then another the next moment, I am not a hypocrite. I am merely exercising my right as a human being to have a prerogative. I am a hypocrite if I do one thing and then say another, knowing that it is the exact same thing. That is hypocrisy.

 

To my good friend, the Phoenix:

You are a smart, clever, quick young man. You are so intelligent. You impress me daily with your sense of humor, as well as your well-stated responses to my deliberate adversities.

 

You are a cool person. I enjoy reading what you have to say. You have mature opinions, and plenty of brains to back up your arguements, when you want to back them up. I'm older than you, and yet you are smarter than I could be if I were iq'd at 160. I am drawn to people with your talents.

 

But (yes, you knew there would be a but) my friend, I am still concerned for you. I don't care if you don't like it; it's true. I care about all my friends, cyber or otherwise. I especially care about those I believe are in danger or are hurting somehow. (I'm trying my hardest to keep our feud out of this) You are my friend. I count you as a valuable source of opinion in this broken world. How many can say that I honestly listen to their opinion and let it impact me as I see fit?

 

I guess I just want to undo anything I've done to hurt your feelings by constantly arguing and bringing up our disaggreement everywhere. Yeah, I think it's important to talk about it, but not when neither of us really feel like bringing it up in some mundane topic about, i dunno, the weather.

 

To Taynio:

I think you're cool. I think you have interesting things to say, and you're smart. That's cool to me. That's why I say everyone here is cool, because everyone here seems to be the same, unique type of personality.

 

I respect you. I feel like I shouldn't because you're so dynamic in your thought processes, but I respect you as a friend and as a fellow human being. I have to. You are a member of the universe. That in itself is enough to deserve my attention.

 

To everyone else who has the idea to read this topic (welcome, ___):

GOD BLESS THE WORLD AND NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM SAYING THAT!!!

Topazia, just because two people disagree on one thing does not mean that they are angry at each other, or hate each other. I don't hate you, not in the least, even though out views on religion are totally seperate.

[Cheesus]

are there any American Anglicans on here that know much about this past General Convention?

 

If so, what's your take? I'm so upset today because the Episcopal Church of the United States of America (ECUSA) is spillting from the World Anglican Communion, and only a few parishes and dioces are in the Network, which is the group in ECUSA that don't want to walk away from WAC, and I don't know what's going to happen. I have such a headache, and I've had it for three years now, ever since New Hampshire elected the actively gay Gene Robinson for bishop. Not only that, but now they've rejected a bill declaring Jesus as the Savior Son of God, AND that the Bible is the end-all (same bill). AND (if it wasn't bad enough already) they've PASSED a bill allowing for the consecration of gay marriage WHEN IT CLEARLY STATES ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE THAT BEING GAY IS WRONG!!!

 

I can give you a whole list of verses, thanks! Leviticus, Romans, I think Lamentations and Zephaniah all have refereces to how WRONG it is!

 

 

oh, and this is how I put it to my IM friends...

a Christian. I'm Episcopal. Well, the Episcopal Cursh of USA (ECUSA) is part of the World Anglican Council (WAC). ECUSA has decided 3 yrs ago to elect an actively gay bishop in NH. That made WAC mad, so they said, quit and be sorry or you can't be called Aglican anymore. Well, ECUSA didn't do that, so now WAC has said BACK OFF THE WAC UNTTILL YOU CHANGE UR WAYS. So the General Convention in Ohio a couple weeks ago, we decided to leave WAC, but some US Episc churches (Like mine) have decided to part with ECUSA and remain with WAC, and WAC is fine with that, but I'm worried about the youth and stuff like that because my youth triops are sponsored by ECUSA. So I'm screwed up today bc I don't know what's going to happen and I"M FRIED!!!

 

so I need someone silmilar to talk to. I'm not sorry.

Please explain how being gay is wrong. I think that the main reason people don't support gay anyting is because they are scared of being accused of being gay themselves,and turn very anti-gay, creating a vicious circle.

[Topazia]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

I am sorry you are working on the fourth.

 

As for your life, consider it just a downhill to be followed by an uphill. Consider, if life always was flat with no ups and downs, then it would probably be quite boring. Of course, this does not help when you are on a downhill, but you do have someone who will listen. Sometimes it does not matter what denomination the listener is, just that they care enough to give you their time.

except that rob doesn't understand half what comes out of my mouth since he's baptist, not episcopal, and he's also not the child of a vestry member...

 

all these hills give me motion sickness...

*gives Topazia a flat can of Coke to settle her stomach*

Please sip this very slowly.

 

It is okay that Rob does not understand. Perhaps this will be a learning experience for him. Please try and understand this hard time will pass. Some things just take time.

*grumble grumble grumble*

I'd like to believe that, but it's been going for years.

 

*does not like Coke but appreciates it*

[Horatio]

Wah, nobody cares anymore...

This is a holiday weekend... people are busy making plans and going on holiday! No time for serious discussion, just time for hotdogs, hamburgers and fireworks!

well, yes, it's a time for celeration, but a/ I'm working the fourth () and b/ my life as i know it is going to Tophet. The only one I can really vent to isn't even the same denomination as I am, too.

I am sorry you are working on the fourth.

 

As for your life, consider it just a downhill to be followed by an uphill. Consider, if life always was flat with no ups and downs, then it would probably be quite boring. Of course, this does not help when you are on a downhill, but you do have someone who will listen. Sometimes it does not matter what denomination the listener is, just that they care enough to give you their time.

except that rob doesn't understand half what comes out of my mouth since he's baptist, not episcopal, and he's also not the child of a vestry member...

 

all these hills give me motion sickness...

*gives Topazia a flat can of Coke to settle her stomach*

Please sip this very slowly.

 

It is okay that Rob does not understand. Perhaps this will be a learning experience for him. Please try and understand this hard time will pass. Some things just take time.

*grumble grumble grumble*

I'd like to believe that, but it's been going for years.

 

*does not like Coke but appreciates it*

Learning, growing and all the pains that go with the development from childhood until adulthood are unsettling. As your ideas blossom, you have rough seas. I do promise you that your life will smooth out to gently rolling hills, with an occasional big one every now and then.

[Topazia]

*grumble grumble grumble*

I'd like to believe that, but it's been going for years.

 

*does not like Coke but appreciates it*

Learning, growing and all the pains that go with the development from childhood until adulthood are unsettling. As your ideas blossom, you have rough seas. I do promise you that your life will smooth out to gently rolling hills, with an occasional big one every now and then.

[sigh] I hope so...

 

you work fast!

[Horatio]

*grumble grumble grumble*

I'd like to believe that, but it's been going for years.

 

*does not like Coke but appreciates it*

Learning, growing and all the pains that go with the development from childhood until adulthood are unsettling. As your ideas blossom, you have rough seas. I do promise you that your life will smooth out to gently rolling hills, with an occasional big one every now and then.

[sigh] I hope so...

 

you work fast!

Trust me on the things getting better.

 

As for working fast, no, you just have impeccable timing!

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Must... resit.. urge... to comment on.... homophobia... of... church...

I'll resist for now. Or at least until Topazia makes another explosion of Neo-Conservativism.

[Cheesus]

Any response to my posts Paz?

[Topazia]

Must... resit.. urge... to comment on.... homophobia... of... church...

I'll resist for now. Or at least until Topazia makes another explosion of Neo-Conservativism.

Neo-whativism? Hey, I just like to follow the rules to the "t".

 

Any response to my posts Paz?

Which ones? Oh, sorry, I haven't been on in the last few days...

 

To the first one, I don't hate you either. I'm glad someone finally said it, because I can be pretty hate-able...

 

To the second one, look in your heart and tell me your opinion on the details pertaining to homosexuality? Seriously, not only does Leviticus [Leviticus 18:22 NIV]", but it's also against evolutionary standards. The gay gene would have died out long ago, since it doesn't support reproduction. If gay was okay, then we'd all be bisexual to some extent, and then that would increase the likelihood of disease (AIDS), injury (that has to hurt).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I almost cried today from what he said today...

[Cheesus]

Must... resit.. urge... to comment on.... homophobia... of... church...

I'll resist for now. Or at least until Topazia makes another explosion of Neo-Conservativism.

Neo-whativism? Hey, I just like to follow the rules to the "t".

 

Any response to my posts Paz?

Which ones? Oh, sorry, I haven't been on in the last few days...

 

To the first one, I don't hate you either. I'm glad someone finally said it, because I can be pretty hate-able...

 

To the second one, look in your heart and tell me your opinion on the details pertaining to homosexuality? Seriously, not only does Leviticus [Leviticus 18:22 NIV]", but it's also against evolutionary standards. The gay gene would have died out long ago, since it doesn't support reproduction. If gay was okay, then we'd all be bisexual to some extent, and then that would increase the likelihood of disease (AIDS), injury (that has to hurt).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I almost cried today from what he said today...

AT least you admit to evolution. But upon doing my own research, i have found out that there is in fact no gay gene. There was research, and it had been interpreted as showing that there was such a thing. And there is not an increased risk of contracting std's from gay sex. And Paz, you do realize that being gay isn't a choice, right? I have talked to several people I knew open about the fact that they were gay.

[Topazia]

AT least you admit to evolution.No, I don't. I ws using an example through a "theory" to back up my claims. Evolution is false, and nothing except God's telling me is going to change that. But upon doing my own research, i have found out that there is in fact no gay gene. There was research, and it had been interpreted as showing that there was such a thing.Those are two contrasting sentences. What did you mean? And there is not an increased risk of contracting std's from gay sex.Then why do you hear about more AIDS ridden and gonnorhea(sp?) infested gays than you do straight ppl? And Paz, you do realize that being gay isn't a choice, right?oh, just like your favorite color isn't a choice? GAY IS WRONG. GAY IS GROSS. GAY IS A CHOICE! I have talked to several people I knew open about the fact that they were gay.

to your last sentence, then they were brainwashed or confused. I have gay friends that went straight because they experienced a straight close encounter. Tell me it isn't a choice when I tell you Dennis Jernigan, one of the greatest and most famous Christian artists actually lived the gay lifestyle, until he came to Christ and prayed for healing, got married, and now has somewhere between 7 and 12 kids? Yeah, that's a lot, considering I'm planning on 3, myself...

 

Beat that.

[Cheesus]

\No, I don't. I ws using an example through a "theory" to back up my claims. Evolution is false, and nothing except God's telling me is going to change that. So you back up your claims with something that "doesn't exist?" Wouldn't that not do anything to prove your point? Those are two contrasting sentences. What did you mean?I did some research, and i found out there is no gay gene. this was done online. Scientists did research, and there findings were misinterpreted and people thought it showed that being gay was in fact genetic. However, the research done by the scientists was inconclusive. Then why do you hear about more AIDS ridden and gonnorhea(sp?) infested gays than you do straight people?I'm not sure, but it probably started out when all the gays weren't using condoms, before all this was known about these dieseases. Back then they thought condoms only had the one purpose, and thought they didn't need them. in straight society, there would be a much higher amount of condom usage.oh, just like your favorite color isn't a choice? GAY IS WRONG. GAY IS GROSS. GAY IS A CHOICE! Okay, if it is a choice, try becoming gay right now. Do it. You can't unless you already are. It is not a choice.

to your last sentence, then they were brainwashed or confused. I have gay friends that went straight because they experienced a straight close encounter. Tell me it isn't a choice when I tell you Dennis Jernigan, one of the greatest and most famous Christian artists actually lived the gay lifestyle, until he came to Christ and prayed for healing, got married, and now has somewhere between 7 and 12 kids? Yeah, that's a lot, considering I'm planning on 3, myself...

 

Beat that.

I never said it was impossible to go from gay to straight, but your friends could just be bi. All your examples don't show that they chose to be gay. And have you ever heard of covering up? Jernigan quite possibly was just trying to show the world he was staight, so he would be an accepted christian. I think he was overdong it with the kids, though.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change? Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it? Not that homosexsuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexsuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexsual? He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexsuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Oh and as to the gay gene it is possible for it to carry on existing down through history without being wiped out because you forget recessive genes, most families now have about 2 children. Now if both parents have one recessive gay gene, then it isn't necessairly going to even turn up in either child, but each child may have a recessive gay gene.

 

Look, this is simple genetics;

H stands for dominant hetrosexsual gene, g stands for recessive homosexusal gene

 

Parent 1 Parent 2

Hg Hg

 

 

Generation 1;

 

HH gg Hg Hg

 

So you have a 1/2 chance that the gay gene will be passed on throughout the generations, explaining why it survives on and on. Of course, in the case of bisexsual that could be because you get a dominant Gay gene and a dominant Hetrosexsual gene, and often when you get two dominant genes they form a hybrid and thus it is why you get bisexsuality.

 

Do you understand now how the gay gene survives throughout the ages?

[Toto]

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change? Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it? Not that homosexuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexual? He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.

 

I think I'm going to have to comment on this one. The Bible says absolutely nothing about how King David was a homosexual. He committed adultery with a woman. That has to tell you something.

 

Even though I haven't studied too much in Ruth, I know that Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law. She was married to a man, and they had a son who married Ruth. Homosexuals don't just run off and have kids with every straight man they see.

 

I have no idea where you got those ideas, since the bible doesn't speak of Naomi or King David being homosexual. Maybe you found that in the Dead Sea Scrolls. xD

 

I know there are several passages in the Bible about homosexuality. I'll have to post them later. (:

[The Grim Hamster lord]

It doesn't say that David was homosexsual outright. It is specifically the passage where he mourns over the death of a friend which heavily suggests that the relationship was much more than that of two friends.

 

As to Naomi and Ruth, you do get in the world people who have children with someone and then divorce them leaving both the children and the partner, sometimes for people of the same sex or opposite sex. It happens.

 

As to the Dead Sea Scrolls, you need to understand what they are. They are about 825-870 documents (unsure how many due to arguements that certain items are part of one larger document) and contain various scripts from both the Hebrew Bible and those gospels which were cut out of the New Testament. Most of the were written between the 2nd Century BC and the first century AD. They are the oldest biblical scripts in existance. You have a wide variety of the books in the Bible there ranging from Leviticus to Psalms. What you are referring to is the Dead Sea Scroll Deception whereby some of the scrolls were sold to the Vatican before their contents could be analysed properly, one of those texts which was sold was the recently surfaced Book of Judas. Also, they provide the earliest unedited Bible scriptures, so we actually know what was first written. Understand better now?

[Topazia]

finally, I am back in my element.

 

No, I don't. I ws using an example through a "theory" to back up my claims. Evolution is false, and nothing except God's telling me is going to change that. So you back up your claims with something that "doesn't exist?" Wouldn't that not do anything to prove your point?actually, I was using that to make it to where TGHL would see, thank you very much. Those are two contrasting sentences. What did you mean?I did some research, and i found out there is no gay gene. there is no gay gene. thank you. this was done online. Scientists did research, and there findings were misinterpreted and people thought it showed that being gay was in fact genetic. Um, if you look at the childhood of many homosexuals, you will find that they or a close friend/relative suffered abuse, and that is their way of dealing with it. That, or in their youth, they were straight, and someone broke them or possibly raiped them. However, the research done by the scientists was inconclusive. see before comment. Then why do you hear about more AIDS ridden and gonnorhea(sp?) infested gays than you do straight people?I'm not sure, but it probably started out when all the gays weren't using condoms, before all this was known about these diseases. Back then they thought condoms only had the one purpose, and thought they didn't need them. oh, you mean contraception? Yeah, there's a reason for the whole reproduction thing, it's so a MAN and a WOMAN can keep from making bebbies, which would explain the whole idea for REPRODUCTION? in straight society, there would be a much higher amount of condom usage.and they never noticed that gays kept getting really gross things down there versus the straight ppl who used protection/lifelong policy?oh, just like your favorite color isn't a choice? GAY IS WRONG. GAY IS GROSS. GAY IS A CHOICE! Okay, if it is a choice, try becoming gay right now. Do it. You can't unless you already are. It is not a choice.um, I'll have you know, all of the people I know that are like that admit they chose to be so? All of the ppl like that my beloved knows (much more than I do) admit to choosing such a lifestyle. And this one guy who was actively gay tried it straight, and is now bi, but quickly forgetting boys altogether?

I never said it was impossible to go from gay to straight, but your friends could just be bi. All your examples don't show that they chose to be gay. And have you ever heard of covering up? Jernigan quite possibly was just trying to show the world he was staight, so he would be an accepted christian.it's supposed to be capitalized. Christian. I think he was overdoing it with the kids, though.Yeah, he gets flack loke that a lot, but he is straight. I think he's Catholic, or Baptist. Which would explain his knack for fertility.

 

 

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change?actually, change can be quite healthy. I learned that this past week during my mission trip. Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it?Excuse me, I happen to be quite open minded. O just haven't seen much to prove evolution and any of your beliefs stable enough to warrant my following them. Prove yourself, and you'll have a fellow atheist. Not that homosexsuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexsuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.*laughs*Why do you think the Levites had to put it in their rulebook, aka Leviticus?

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexsual?No, actually, he wasn't. Batsheba was a woman. He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexsuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.Naomi wasn't a homosexual. She lived with her daughter in law because her son, Ruth's husband, (I think) died, and so they were caring for each other. (I haven't read the book in a while)

 

 

Oh and as to the gay gene it is possible for it to carry on existing down through history without being wiped out because you forget recessive genes, most families now have about 2 children. Now if both parents have one recessive gay gene, then it isn't necessairly going to even turn up in either child, but each child may have a recessive gay gene.

 

Look, this is simple genetics;

H stands for dominant hetrosexsual gene, g stands for recessive homosexusal gene

 

Parent 1 Parent 2

Hg Hg

 

 

Generation 1;

 

HH gg Hg Hg

Let me put it an easier way to see, mister Punnett squares.

P1-P2

HhxHh

G1

HH|Hh

Hh|hh

Fine. Now assume that one of the heterozygous straights mates with a homozygous straight, since a homozygous gay will not mate.

G2

HhxHH

HH|Hh

HH|Hh

 

There is no way it will work. If the gay is ruled only by genes, then there can only be gay relationships through gays. The heredity, H(dom) and h(rec), is very finite. This is why they only teach it to 10th years/graders in my state. But if the gay gene is recessive, then the gays cannot reproduce, and only the straight gene would survive. And this is all if you assume the parent generation is heterozygous, not homozygous. Or, that only one parent is heterozygous. In which case, the gene would stop there?

So you have a 1/2 chance that the gay gene will be passed on throughout the generations, explaining why it survives on and on. Of course, in the case of bisexsual that could be because you get a dominant Gay gene and a dominant Hetrosexsual gene, and often when you get two dominant genes they form a hybrid and thus it is why you get bisexsuality.

Let us look at the Punnett squares again.

 

P1-P2

HhxHh

HH|Hh

Hh|hh

 

now two are bisexual, is that right? Okay. Well, that assumes that the bisexuals are, in fact, mating with both gays and heterosexuals. But most heterosexuals are insulted by bisexuals, as it allows for cheating. How would you like it if you found out your girlfriend were cheating on you... with her second cousin?Look, I'll finish this tomorrow, I have to go to bed.[/color

Do you understand now how the gay gene survives throughout the ages?

I'll finish tomorrow.

 

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change? Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it? Not that homosexuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexual? He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.

 

I think I'm going to have to comment on this one. The Bible says absolutely nothing about how King David was a homosexual. He committed adultery with a woman. That has to tell you something.

 

Even though I haven't studied too much in Ruth, I know that Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law. She was married to a man, and they had a son who married Ruth. Homosexuals don't just run off and have kids with every straight man they see.

 

I have no idea where you got those ideas, since the bible doesn't speak of Naomi or King David being homosexual. Maybe you found that in the Dead Sea Scrolls. xD

 

I know there are several passages in the Bible about homosexuality. I'll have to post them later. (:

 

 

It doesn't say that David was homosexsual outright. It is specifically the passage where he mourns over the death of a friend which heavily suggests that the relationship was much more than that of two friends.

 

As to Naomi and Ruth, you do get in the world people who have children with someone and then divorce them leaving both the children and the partner, sometimes for people of the same sex or opposite sex. It happens.

 

As to the Dead Sea Scrolls, you need to understand what they are. They are about 825-870 documents (unsure how many due to arguements that certain items are part of one larger document) and contain various scripts from both the Hebrew Bible and those gospels which were cut out of the New Testament. Most of the were written between the 2nd Century BC and the first century AD. They are the oldest biblical scripts in existance. You have a wide variety of the books in the Bible there ranging from Leviticus to Psalms. What you are referring to is the Dead Sea Scroll Deception whereby some of the scrolls were sold to the Vatican before their contents could be analysed properly, one of those texts which was sold was the recently surfaced Book of Judas. Also, they provide the earliest unedited Bible scriptures, so we actually know what was first written. Understand better now?

[Horatio]

I have to ask a few questions and then clarify something.

 

My questions are: Why can't people allow other people to be gay if they choose this lifestyle? If homosexuals do not impose their lifestyle on others, why can't people accept them for who they are and allow them to make their own choices? Whatever happened to tolerance? This goes the same for other religions, other views in politics, etc. Do people condemn other people because they do not think pink is the greatest color ever? No. They accept them no matter what color is their favorite. Why can't we accept people for who they are? Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Clarification: Gay people can and do have children. Gay women can and do give birth. I won't go into the details but it happens.

[lexxscrapham]

Okay, since we are almost on this topic:

 

Gay Adoption, although the same question could apply to any number of groups:

 

Is it better to permit those whose lifestyle some find objectionable to raise the children of those who are not able; or to leave such children in the Care of the State or other institution?

[Topazia]

finally, I am back in my element.

 

No, I don't. I ws using an example through a "theory" to back up my claims. Evolution is false, and nothing except God's telling me is going to change that. So you back up your claims with something that "doesn't exist?" Wouldn't that not do anything to prove your point?actually, I was using that to make it to where TGHL would see, thank you very much. Those are two contrasting sentences. What did you mean?I did some research, and i found out there is no gay gene. there is no gay gene. thank you. this was done online. Scientists did research, and there findings were misinterpreted and people thought it showed that being gay was in fact genetic. Um, if you look at the childhood of many homosexuals, you will find that they or a close friend/relative suffered abuse, and that is their way of dealing with it. That, or in their youth, they were straight, and someone broke them or possibly raiped them. However, the research done by the scientists was inconclusive. see before comment. Then why do you hear about more AIDS ridden and gonnorhea(sp?) infested gays than you do straight people?I'm not sure, but it probably started out when all the gays weren't using condoms, before all this was known about these diseases. Back then they thought condoms only had the one purpose, and thought they didn't need them. oh, you mean contraception? Yeah, there's a reason for the whole reproduction thing, it's so a MAN and a WOMAN can keep from making bebbies, which would explain the whole idea for REPRODUCTION? in straight society, there would be a much higher amount of condom usage.and they never noticed that gays kept getting really gross things down there versus the straight ppl who used protection/lifelong policy?oh, just like your favorite color isn't a choice? GAY IS WRONG. GAY IS GROSS. GAY IS A CHOICE! Okay, if it is a choice, try becoming gay right now. Do it. You can't unless you already are. It is not a choice.um, I'll have you know, all of the people I know that are like that admit they chose to be so? All of the ppl like that my beloved knows (much more than I do) admit to choosing such a lifestyle. And this one guy who was actively gay tried it straight, and is now bi, but quickly forgetting boys altogether?

I never said it was impossible to go from gay to straight, but your friends could just be bi. All your examples don't show that they chose to be gay. And have you ever heard of covering up? Jernigan quite possibly was just trying to show the world he was staight, so he would be an accepted christian.it's supposed to be capitalized. Christian. I think he was overdoing it with the kids, though.Yeah, he gets flack loke that a lot, but he is straight. I think he's Catholic, or Baptist. Which would explain his knack for fertility.

 

 

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change?actually, change can be quite healthy. I learned that this past week during my mission trip. Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it?Excuse me, I happen to be quite open minded. O just haven't seen much to prove evolution and any of your beliefs stable enough to warrant my following them. Prove yourself, and you'll have a fellow atheist. Not that homosexsuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexsuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.*laughs*Why do you think the Levites had to put it in their rulebook, aka Leviticus?

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexsual?No, actually, he wasn't. Batsheba was a woman. He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexsuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.Naomi wasn't a homosexual. She lived with her daughter in law because her son, Ruth's husband, (I think) died, and so they were caring for each other. (I haven't read the book in a while)

 

 

Oh and as to the gay gene it is possible for it to carry on existing down through history without being wiped out because you forget recessive genes, most families now have about 2 children. Now if both parents have one recessive gay gene, then it isn't necessairly going to even turn up in either child, but each child may have a recessive gay gene.

 

Look, this is simple genetics;

H stands for dominant hetrosexsual gene, g stands for recessive homosexusal gene

 

Parent 1 Parent 2

Hg Hg

 

 

Generation 1;

 

HH gg Hg Hg

Let me put it an easier way to see, mister Punnett squares.

P1-P2

HhxHh

G1

HH|Hh

Hh|hh

Fine. Now assume that one of the heterozygous straights mates with a homozygous straight, since a homozygous gay will not mate.

G2

HhxHH

HH|Hh

HH|Hh

 

There is no way it will work. If the gay is ruled only by genes, then there can only be gay relationships through gays. The heredity, H(dom) and h(rec), is very finite. This is why they only teach it to 10th years/graders in my state. But if the gay gene is recessive, then the gays cannot reproduce, and only the straight gene would survive. And this is all if you assume the parent generation is heterozygous, not homozygous. Or, that only one parent is heterozygous. In which case, the gene would stop there?

So you have a 1/2 chance that the gay gene will be passed on throughout the generations, explaining why it survives on and on. Of course, in the case of bisexsual that could be because you get a dominant Gay gene and a dominant Hetrosexsual gene, and often when you get two dominant genes they form a hybrid and thus it is why you get bisexsuality.

Let us look at the Punnett squares again.

 

P1-P2

HhxHh

HH|Hh

Hh|hh

 

now two are bisexual, is that right? Okay. Well, that assumes that the bisexuals are, in fact, mating with both gays and heterosexuals. But most heterosexuals are insulted by bisexuals, as it allows for cheating. How would you like it if you found out your girlfriend were cheating on you... with her second cousin?Look, I'll finish this tomorrow, I have to go to bed.

Do you understand now how the gay gene survives throughout the ages?

The gay gene does not survive, because it does not make sense as a hereditary thing.

 

Well, I was tempted to put Neo-Facism seeing as you want to control what people do and deny them free will, but decided that Neo-Conservatism was more apt. Do you hate change? Are you just so alienated by any new concept that you have to condemn it? Not that homosexuality is a new concept, in fact if you look at the writings of Roman writers many of them speak of homosexuals. As in "There goes that terrible Brutus and his male friend." It is thought to be where from we get the word "brute" from.

 

Oh and wasn't King David homosexual? He wasn't smote. Neither was Naomi, so really the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality as there is lack of smiting for King David or Naomi.

 

I think I'm going to have to comment on this one. The Bible says absolutely nothing about how King David was a homosexual. He committed adultery with a woman. That has to tell you something.

 

Even though I haven't studied too much in Ruth, I know that Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law. She was married to a man, and they had a son who married Ruth. Homosexuals don't just run off and have kids with every straight man they see.

 

I have no idea where you got those ideas, since the bible doesn't speak of Naomi or King David being homosexual. Maybe you found that in the Dead Sea Scrolls. xD

 

I know there are several passages in the Bible about homosexuality. I'll have to post them later. (:

Toto, you are exactly right.

 

It doesn't say that David was homosexsual outright. It is specifically the passage where he mourns over the death of a friend which heavily suggests that the relationship was much more than that of two friends.

No, it most certainly does not suggest that. If your very best friend in the whole world were to be murdered, you would be extremely mournful, unless you're just a stonecold heart, in which case, you don't have any real friends. If my best friend, Leigh (female, I add), were to die right now, and I found out, I would be sadder than anything in this world. I would mourn her death like it was my sister who died. Seriously, TGHL, when you get attached to someone, it hurts a whole lot to lose them. You know that full well. Maybe David's friend was more like a brother than anything? It's a low blow, but that's like saying when your brother died, you mourned as though he were your boyfrined. *ew*

As to Naomi and Ruth, you do get in the world people who have children with someone and then divorce them leaving both the children and the partner, sometimes for people of the same sex or opposite sex. It happens.

Do you really think a devout Jewish woman governed by the laws of Leviticus would do that? Seriously, think about what your'e saying. You're making yourself look redundant.

As to the Dead Sea Scrolls, you need to understand what they are. They are about 825-870 documents (unsure how many due to arguements that certain items are part of one larger document) and contain various scripts from both the Hebrew Bible and those gospels which were cut out of the New Testament. Most of the were written between the 2nd Century BC and the first century AD. They are the oldest biblical scripts in existance. You have a wide variety of the books in the Bible there ranging from Leviticus to Psalms. What you are referring to is the Dead Sea Scroll Deception whereby some of the scrolls were sold to the Vatican before their contents could be analysed properly, one of those texts which was sold was the recently surfaced Book of Judas. Also, they provide the earliest unedited Bible scriptures, so we actually know what was first written. Understand better now?

Um, I am going to admit ignorance here, so don't yell at me because of it. I don't know a whole lot about the Dead Sea Scrolls. I'll ask my reverend about it next Sunday if I think about it.

 

I have to ask a few questions and then clarify something.

 

My questions are: Why can't people allow other people to be gay if they choose this lifestyle? If homosexuals do not impose their lifestyle on others, why can't people accept them for who they are and allow them to make their own choices? Whatever happened to tolerance? This goes the same for other religions, other views in politics, etc. Do people condemn other people because they do not think pink is the greatest color ever? No. They accept them no matter what color is their favorite. Why can't we accept people for who they are? Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Clarification: Gay people can and do have children. Gay women can and do give birth. I won't go into the details but it happens.

1)Because it's not only wrong, it's also gross.

2)I accepted Leroy b4 he turned straight, and I wasn't happy that the boys made fun of him in the PE locker room. Most people who persecute gays are either a/ grossed out or b/ afraid that the gays will try to be gay with them*ew*.

3)Tolerance can be twisted until it means joining them, Horatio. Not to be impudent, but too many people don't use discernment when throwing such a powerful word about.

4)I accept people for who they are, until they try to convince me that they are right and I am wrong, in which case I come back at them with my own reasoning that I'm the one right.

5)see 4.

 

Oh, to your clarification: My boyfriend told me about this experiment they did and the results said if a woman is in solitude for 3 yrs, with the right conditions, her body will actually start to produce male haploids. *wonders if it will be let through**wonders more if anyone will understand without having to google the term, haploid*

Okay, since we are almost on this topic:

 

Gay Adoption, although the same question could apply to any number of groups:

 

Is it better to permit those whose lifestyle some find objectionable to raise the children of those who are not able; or to leave such children in the Care of the State or other institution?

Gay adoption is fine, to an extent. If the gay decides to adopt, I say let him/her. There is a stipulation, though. Several, actually.

1) The gay must teach the child that being straight is the socially acceptable way to go. S/He cannot tell the child to be gay.

2) The gay must prepare the child for the immense amount of persecution s/he will receive as a result of having a gay parent.

3) The gay absolutely must, no exceptions, listen to what the child says. If the child voices his/her longing for a parental figure of the opposite gender, the gay parent must try to find a way for that to happen. A child does grow up more stable in a two parent, two gender household, or at least with both a mother figure and father figure. It makes a huge difference.

 

 

 

And now I am done. Good day, God bless!

[Cheesus]

I have to ask a few questions and then clarify something.

 

My questions are: Why can't people allow other people to be gay if they choose this lifestyle? If homosexuals do not impose their lifestyle on others, why can't people accept them for who they are and allow them to make their own choices? Because some people find the gay lifestyle strange, it can't be right(according to them.) It disgusts others, who can be bigoted and stubborn in their beliefs. However, I find it a little weird, maybe a bit disgusting, but I don't have anything against gays, they can live their lives how they want to, and I have no right to interfere or make fun of them for it. Whatever happened to tolerance? This goes the same for other religions, other views in politics, etc. Do people condemn other people because they do not think pink is the greatest color ever? No. They accept them no matter what color is their favorite. Why can't we accept people for who they are? Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

in answer to all tolerance related questions... they believe that they are right, everyone else is wrong, so they have to show them the "truth", no matter how untruthful it is. Tolerance is pretty much gone. everyone has to try to get everyone else to be like them.

 

Clarification: Gay people can and do have children. Gay women can and do give birth. I won't go into the details but it happens.

[Jesse]

Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Because people have the slanted view that religion = lifestyle, which is NOT true. Religion is faith, pure and simple faith. You don't have to follow sets of "rules"...well, not for christianity, at least.

 

This religion = lifestyle logic causes disrespect for gays, because people will say that the gay lifestyle is "sinful" and against their religion, even though it is not. If that gay person has faith for a religion, he/she IS OF THAT RELIGION NO MATTER WHAT.

 

"Religion = lifestyle" doesn't even make sense. How are you supposed to follow a religion and develop spiritually, if you are not "suitible" to enter that religion in the first place...since it's unlikely that your lifestyle is "perfect" when you enter a religion. What's the point of pushing people away and saying "you're not going to heaven, no matter what!" as opposed to letting God make that decision like he's supposed to? (or whoever the spiritual leader is in that particular religion).

 

People like to try and "speak for God" when it comes to issues like this...hahaha, WRONG. God will speak for himself, he doesn't need some crabby church lady with her butt in a knot to speak for him...and that's what christians make themselves look like: crabby tight-butt church ladies that only say "we don't do that here." Gosh, sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a Christian.

[Topazia]

Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Because people have the slanted view that religion = lifestyle, which is NOT true. Religion is faith, pure and simple faith. You don't have to follow sets of "rules"...well, not for christianity, at least.

 

This religion = lifestyle logic causes disrespect for gays, because people will say that the gay lifestyle is "sinful" and against their religion, even though it is not. If that gay person has faith for a religion, he/she IS OF THAT RELIGION NO MATTER WHAT.

 

"Religion = lifestyle" doesn't even make sense. How are you supposed to follow a religion and develop spiritually, if you are not "suitible" to enter that religion in the first place...since it's unlikely that your lifestyle is "perfect" when you enter a religion. What's the point of pushing people away and saying "you're not going to heaven, no matter what!" as opposed to letting God make that decision like he's supposed to? (or whoever the spiritual leader is in that particular religion).

 

People like to try and "speak for God" when it comes to issues like this...hahaha, WRONG. God will speak for himself, he doesn't need some crabby church lady with her butt in a knot to speak for him...and that's what christians make themselves look like: crabby tight-butt church ladies that only say "we don't do that here." Gosh, sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a Christian.

You should read Romans 1:24-27 and Leviticus 18:22 before you say this, Jesse. Christianity is a lifestyle. Why do you think God tells us to change our sinful ways and repent our evil thoughts? Romans is chock full of Paul telling the Romans how they are erring and need to repent, and how while they don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, being Christian literally means being a "little Christ", or, beign like Christ. Much of our faith is professed by what we do. Yes, we need to be accepting. No, we must not engage in such acts to prove we accept them. The fact is, according to Leviticus, "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable". Hence, gay is not acceptable. We can accept the person for who s/he is, but we absolutely do NOT have to accept what they do as right.

 

Christianity IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a lifestyle. Our lives as Christian are supposed to be devoted to praising God, helping others to see the Holy Light, and to further our own relationship with Him through actions, prayer, and meditation. God does not like sin. He wants us to strive to be better people as a whole. He wans us to minister to those who need love, and through that love and influence, show them that it is not in their best interest to continue down this self-destructive path.

 

The fact that you call yourself a Christian, claim that your very faith is not a lifestyle when everything in your Bible says it is, and then you say you are sometimes ashamed of your faith, all in the same post, sickens me. I am glad that you say you are one in the army of God. But please, Jesse. We are not known as "Christ-like" and "Little Christs" for nothing.

 

I am not yelling at you. I am telling you exactly what the Bible says, and what you should therefore agree with, or commit apostasy. Look it up, if you're not sure.

 

Thank you.

*bows, blows a kiss to everyone, leaves*

 

♥♥♥

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[The Biggest Fan Of Fuzzy]

Protestant, Christian, Catholic, Jewish. Can someone please explain the difference betwen them all [using words a non religious person could understand]?

[Jesse]

You should read Romans 1:24-27 and Leviticus 18:22 before you say this, Jesse. Christianity is a lifestyle. Why do you think God tells us to change our sinful ways and repent our evil thoughts? Romans is chock full of Paul telling the Romans how they are erring and need to repent, and how while they don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, being Christian literally means being a "little Christ", or, beign like Christ. Much of our faith is professed by what we do. Yes, we need to be accepting. No, we must not engage in such acts to prove we accept them. The fact is, according to Leviticus, "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable". Hence, gay is not acceptable. We can accept the person for who s/he is, but we absolutely do NOT have to accept what they do as right.

 

Christianity IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a lifestyle. Our lives as Christian are supposed to be devoted to praising God, helping others to see the Holy Light, and to further our own relationship with Him through actions, prayer, and meditation. God does not like sin. He wants us to strive to be better people as a whole. He wans us to minister to those who need love, and through that love and influence, show them that it is not in their best interest to continue down this self-destructive path.

 

The fact that you call yourself a Christian, claim that your very faith is not a lifestyle when everything in your Bible says it is, and then you say you are sometimes ashamed of your faith, all in the same post, sickens me. I am glad that you say you are one in the army of God. But please, Jesse. We are not known as "Christ-like" and "Little Christs" for nothing.

 

I am not yelling at you. I am telling you exactly what the Bible says, and what you should therefore agree with, or commit apostasy. Look it up, if you're not sure.

 

Thank you.

*bows, blows a kiss to everyone, leaves*

 

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I'm not ashamed of my faith, I'm ashamed of the label "christian" and the bad context it is giving itself.

 

And I did not mean to say that Christians have to accept homosexuality as "right", but they shouldn't judge people by it either, and that is what I have seen. People standing on a street waving signs saying "There are no sodomites in heaven." That is directly attacking people because they are gay. That's not being a christian, I would hope.

 

Your biblical references, to me, do not say that Christianity is a lifestyle. Rather that your romans reference tells me that Christnianity is a relationship with Christ, and from that stems the lifestyle, which for the people in your reference became horribly twisted due to the lack of relationship. And rather your leviticus reference tells me of a practice that God deems detestable, which allows the reader to know christ more. Relationship. That's what I was thinking behind my post - Christianity is a relatinship with Christ. And once that is established, then the lifestyle falls into place. But the lifestyle isn't the requirement, the relationship is what's the requirement.

 

So I'm not saying that there's no lifestyle involved at all. But it is not as important as the relationship is. You could follow all the doctines that the bible teaches, but if you don't have the relationship, then you're not a christian no matter what you do. The point of my other post was that gay people can still have that relationship and be a christian, even though their lifestyle isn't perfect. And nobody's lifestyle is perfectly in tune with the bible's standards. But that's something God helps change. He is helping my lifestyle, and I'm sure he will help improve those of other gay people, as long as the relationship with christ is there.

[Cheesus]

Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Because people have the slanted view that religion = lifestyle, which is NOT true. Religion is faith, pure and simple faith. You don't have to follow sets of "rules"...well, not for christianity, at least.

 

This religion = lifestyle logic causes disrespect for gays, because people will say that the gay lifestyle is "sinful" and against their religion, even though it is not. If that gay person has faith for a religion, he/she IS OF THAT RELIGION NO MATTER WHAT.

 

"Religion = lifestyle" doesn't even make sense. How are you supposed to follow a religion and develop spiritually, if you are not "suitible" to enter that religion in the first place...since it's unlikely that your lifestyle is "perfect" when you enter a religion. What's the point of pushing people away and saying "you're not going to heaven, no matter what!" as opposed to letting God make that decision like he's supposed to? (or whoever the spiritual leader is in that particular religion).

 

People like to try and "speak for God" when it comes to issues like this...hahaha, WRONG. God will speak for himself, he doesn't need some crabby church lady with her butt in a knot to speak for him...and that's what christians make themselves look like: crabby tight-butt church ladies that only say "we don't do that here." Gosh, sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a Christian.

You should read Romans 1:24-27 and Leviticus 18:22 before you say this, Jesse. Christianity is a lifestyle. Why do you think God tells us to change our sinful ways and repent our evil thoughts? Romans is chock full of Paul telling the Romans how they are erring and need to repent, and how while they don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, being Christian literally means being a "little Christ", or, beign like Christ. Much of our faith is professed by what we do. Yes, we need to be accepting. No, we must not engage in such acts to prove we accept them. The fact is, according to Leviticus, "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable". Hence, gay is not acceptable. We can accept the person for who s/he is, but we absolutely do NOT have to accept what they do as right.

 

 

Thank you.

*bows, blows a kiss to everyone, leaves*

 

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So, beacuase some guy said "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable," It is horrible? Not taking a shower for a week is detestable, but is it a sin?

[Topazia]

Protestant, Christian, Catholic, Jewish. Can someone please explain the difference betwen them all [using words a non religious person could understand]?

Okay. Protestant, archaically means anything but Roman Catholic. (Catholic is generic. there's only Roman Catholic catholics.)

Catholic (Roman Catholic) was the first branch of Christianity to be widely accepted. Baptist was the first, if you think about it, though. Most Jews only believe in the old testament, aka the Torah. They do not accept Jesus as more than a gifted prophet, and they are required to have a bar/bat mitzvah, which is basically a coming of spiritual age party for a young teen. It's actually pretty interesting. Christians, as well as Messianic Jews, believe that Jesus is the Son of God and came down to live among us and die for our sins. We believe that He rose again and stayed here for a little while before going back up to Heaven to be at the right hand of the Lord. Sometimes people say that Catholicism isn't a denomination, but a separate entity from Christianity, but we all believe the same basic thing: God loves you, and He sent His only son to die for your sins; if you believe it's true and give God the gloryglory, you're pretty well guaranteed a spot in the city of Zion, aka heaven.

You should read Romans 1:24-27 and Leviticus 18:22 before you say this, Jesse. Christianity is a lifestyle. Why do you think God tells us to change our sinful ways and repent our evil thoughts? Romans is chock full of Paul telling the Romans how they are erring and need to repent, and how while they don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, being Christian literally means being a "little Christ", or, beign like Christ. Much of our faith is professed by what we do. Yes, we need to be accepting. No, we must not engage in such acts to prove we accept them. The fact is, according to Leviticus, "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable". Hence, gay is not acceptable. We can accept the person for who s/he is, but we absolutely do NOT have to accept what they do as right.

 

Christianity IS, WAS, and ALWAYS WILL BE a lifestyle. Our lives as Christian are supposed to be devoted to praising God, helping others to see the Holy Light, and to further our own relationship with Him through actions, prayer, and meditation. God does not like sin. He wants us to strive to be better people as a whole. He wans us to minister to those who need love, and through that love and influence, show them that it is not in their best interest to continue down this self-destructive path.

 

The fact that you call yourself a Christian, claim that your very faith is not a lifestyle when everything in your Bible says it is, and then you say you are sometimes ashamed of your faith, all in the same post, sickens me. I am glad that you say you are one in the army of God. But please, Jesse. We are not known as "Christ-like" and "Little Christs" for nothing.

 

I am not yelling at you. I am telling you exactly what the Bible says, and what you should therefore agree with, or commit apostasy. Look it up, if you're not sure.

 

Thank you.

*bows, blows a kiss to everyone, leaves*

 

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I'm not ashamed of my faith, I'm ashamed of the label "christian" and the bad context it is giving itself.

 

And I did not mean to say that Christians have to accept homosexuality as "right", but they shouldn't judge people by it either, and that is what I have seen. People standing on a street waving signs saying "There are no sodomites in heaven." That is directly attacking people because they are gay. That's not being a christian, I would hope.

 

Your biblical references, to me, do not say that Christianity is a lifestyle. Rather that your romans reference tells me that Christnianity is a relationship with Christ, and from that stems the lifestyle, which for the people in your reference became horribly twisted due to the lack of relationship. And rather your leviticus reference tells me of a practice that God deems detestable, which allows the reader to know christ more. Relationship. That's what I was thinking behind my post - Christianity is a relatinship with Christ. And once that is established, then the lifestyle falls into place. But the lifestyle isn't the requirement, the relationship is what's the requirement.

 

So I'm not saying that there's no lifestyle involved at all. But it is not as important as the relationship is. You could follow all the doctines that the bible teaches, but if you don't have the relationship, then you're not a christian no matter what you do. The point of my other post was that gay people can still have that relationship and be a christian, even though their lifestyle isn't perfect. And nobody's lifestyle is perfectly in tune with the bible's standards. But that's something God helps change. He is helping my lifestyle, and I'm sure he will help improve those of other gay people, as long as the relationship with christ is there.

 

Now you sound more like a real Christian. Thank you for clarifying. Except that if you are a gay Christian, and actively gay, then you are blaspheming and must declare celibacy or go straight if you want to be a true, God-fearing Christian. Gay is bad. Gay is a sin, yes, and we all fall short of the glory of God, but if you deliberately continue sinning in such a horrible way (I think it was in Romans Paul states that a sexual sin against your own body is among the worst second only to blaspheme and suicide), then you are not allowing God into your entire life. Inasmuch, you are NOT on the right track. Read my post on Dennis Jernigan.

Why do we feel other people must change to what we believe?

 

Because people have the slanted view that religion = lifestyle, which is NOT true. Religion is faith, pure and simple faith. You don't have to follow sets of "rules"...well, not for christianity, at least.

 

This religion = lifestyle logic causes disrespect for gays, because people will say that the gay lifestyle is "sinful" and against their religion, even though it is not. If that gay person has faith for a religion, he/she IS OF THAT RELIGION NO MATTER WHAT.

 

"Religion = lifestyle" doesn't even make sense. How are you supposed to follow a religion and develop spiritually, if you are not "suitible" to enter that religion in the first place...since it's unlikely that your lifestyle is "perfect" when you enter a religion. What's the point of pushing people away and saying "you're not going to heaven, no matter what!" as opposed to letting God make that decision like he's supposed to? (or whoever the spiritual leader is in that particular religion).

 

People like to try and "speak for God" when it comes to issues like this...hahaha, WRONG. God will speak for himself, he doesn't need some crabby church lady with her butt in a knot to speak for him...and that's what christians make themselves look like: crabby tight-butt church ladies that only say "we don't do that here." Gosh, sometimes I'm ashamed to call myself a Christian.

You should read Romans 1:24-27 and Leviticus 18:22 before you say this, Jesse. Christianity is a lifestyle. Why do you think God tells us to change our sinful ways and repent our evil thoughts? Romans is chock full of Paul telling the Romans how they are erring and need to repent, and how while they don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, being Christian literally means being a "little Christ", or, beign like Christ. Much of our faith is professed by what we do. Yes, we need to be accepting. No, we must not engage in such acts to prove we accept them. The fact is, according to Leviticus, "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable". Hence, gay is not acceptable. We can accept the person for who s/he is, but we absolutely do NOT have to accept what they do as right.

 

 

Thank you.

*bows, blows a kiss to everyone, leaves*

 

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So, beacuase some guy said "Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable," It is horrible? Not taking a shower for a week is detestable, but is it a sin?

Not bathing is just gross. Doing such things to your body is detestable, horrible, abominable, and why are you defending it?

 

Are you just arguing for the sake of being against me, or do you know someone and just don't want them to be persecuted for their actions? Love the sinner hate the sin....

[Jesse]

Now you sound more like a real Christian. Thank you for clarifying. Except that if you are a gay Christian, and actively gay, then you are blaspheming and must declare celibacy or go straight if you want to be a true, God-fearing Christian. Gay is bad. Gay is a sin, yes, and we all fall short of the glory of God, but if you deliberately continue sinning in such a horrible way (I think it was in Romans Paul states that a sexual sin against your own body is among the worst second only to blaspheme and suicide), then you are not allowing God into your entire life. Inasmuch, you are NOT on the right track. Read my post on Dennis Jernigan.

There are no levels of sin, otherwise "gossip" wouldn't be in the same list as "murder". A sin is a sin, and being gay is not an "exceptionaly bad" sin or a "special" sin. Sin is not comparable...you can't say "I might be sinful, but at least I'm not as sinful as THAT guy!" God probably doesn't care how you compare to other people when it comes to sin, because there's always room for improvement and God loves everyone just the same.

 

You know, maybe gay people's psycological problems can prove to be an obsticale, but if they want to accept Christ, why should their psycology prevent them from being a true Christian?

 

Also, gay people are, for the most part, NOT deliberately sinning by their state of being. Homosexual ACTS are deliberate, but not the state of being gay (unless they chose to be that way, although that seems impossible). I've always grown up being gay. I have no idea how it got that way, except that it probably has to do with my dad. (figures...) I've never wanted to be gay. But it's a psycological thing that seems too deep for me to grasp for the time being.

 

What you're saying is on the borderline for being offensive. You act like gay people are below straight people in God's eyes. But everyone is always on the same level. When you see a gay person, you have know idea whether he/she likes being gay or not. Do not make assumptions about them, please.

[Horatio]

*gives Jesse the biggest, longest, most heartfelt, hammie bear huggle ever*

 

Jesse, I want you to know, that I love you, unconditionally, with all my heart and admire you for being the person you are. You ALWAYS have a friend here and you always know where to find me if you ever need anything.

[Mega Wolf]

I support you Jesse, although I do not want to say too much. But you're an awesome person and nothing can stop that.

[Jesse]

Thanks, both of you. That was actually the first time I admitted to being gay, ever. It was about time! It's nice to know I have this board to come to and be comfortable. I'll definitly need support if/when I admit it to my dad, because I know that'll make a lot of friction between us

[Horatio]

Thanks, both of you. That was actually the first time I admitted to being gay, ever. It was about time! It's nice to know I have this board to come to and be comfortable. I'll definitly need support if/when I admit it to my dad, because I know that'll make a lot of friction between us

When I read your post, I thought about that exact thing. There is no need to rush on telling your father. You will know when the time is right. For now, just believe in your friendship here.

[Mega Wolf]

Thanks, both of you. That was actually the first time I admitted to being gay, ever. It was about time! It's nice to know I have this board to come to and be comfortable. I'll definitly need support if/when I admit it to my dad, because I know that'll make a lot of friction between us

Wow, your first time admitting it? Even on the internet, that must have been smewhat rough, eh? Well, it's definitely going to create friction if you say something. For a side note, as with all people who believe they're gay, though, keep in mind you could be bi. I know a couple of people who were like that. You can always be comfortable on this board.

[lexxscrapham]

my support to you Jesse.

 

 

 

there is something that has been bothering me a bit for some time. it's something I've only really admitted to myself fairly recently. of course, a lot of you are probably just like me. at least, to a degree. but still, I hestitate to mention it directly. not so much for fear of your reaction, but fear for you, and the wonderful thing we have here that may never be quite the same afterwards.

but then who are we really kidding? all of us regulars know that we all have lives ouitside of hampsterboard that we tend to keep to ourselves.

again, Sorry for interrupting your major revalation with my own little problem I'm not really talking about. part of that could be my own fears based on some worst-case scenario. but then don't you plan for the worst, and hope for the best?

[The Grim Hamster lord]

Homophobia is as bad as racism and I refuse to even talk with someone who has prejudices and discriminates people over their sexual preferneces, orientation or whatever PC term we are going to use. I am infernally annoyed with you Topazia for what you have said, i.e. "It's wrong and gross"

 

And you have my support Jesse as well, sexuality isn't a big thing for me and you're an awesome person.

[Jesse]

there is something that has been bothering me a bit for some time. it's something I've only really admitted to myself fairly recently. of course, a lot of you are probably just like me. at least, to a degree. but still, I hestitate to mention it directly. not so much for fear of your reaction, but fear for you, and the wonderful thing we have here that may never be quite the same afterwards.

but then who are we really kidding? all of us regulars know that we all have lives ouitside of hampsterboard that we tend to keep to ourselves.

again, Sorry for interrupting your major revalation with my own little problem I'm not really talking about. part of that could be my own fears based on some worst-case scenario. but then don't you plan for the worst, and hope for the best?

Ah, I get your message. That must be hard to admit, too. Especially because many people don't understand it. Eitherway, my opinion of you hasn't changed. You're probably confused about it right now, so I wish you luck in your journey to understand it. Just like I must.

[lexxscrapham]

Ah, I get your message. That must be hard to admit, too. Especially because many people don't understand it. Eitherway, my opinion of you hasn't changed. You're probably confused about it right now, so I wish you luck in your journey to understand it. Just like I must.

well, trying to understand it is what got me looking at that portion of interenet to begin with. I think the the only way you can understand it is if you are one. I'm just taking it one day at a time.

 

 

To anyone else who caught that, fell free to make your own comments. Hopefully I havn't made you reexamine your own life too much. just remember. as long as you remain true to yourself. and accept that not everyone shares your intrests. it really doesn't matter what you like.